RED Rocket

[Daniel Dávila]

Great Tool!!
Someone already asked for it, but, anyone has any comments on the JVC 4K projector? It is really under U$10K?? I´m asking because I´m about a couple days from buying a DLA-RS20... RED ROCKET and a projector like the JVC 4K will be just great.
Do any of you use the RS20 for color grading?

 

[Tobias Straka]

All very exciting... Can't wait

 

[NZ1]

Avid DS & RED Rocket

Avid DS & RED Rocket

The RED Rocket can be driven by any application that uses the RED SDK.

Assimliate/Scratch has just confirmed that they will support the card on arrival.

Can anyone please advise regarding RED Rocket use with Avid DS ?

Thanks

 

[Jarred Land]

Great Tool!!
Someone already asked for it, but, anyone has any comments on the JVC 4K projector? It is really under U$10K?? I´m asking because I´m about a couple days from buying a DLA-RS20... RED ROCKET and a projector like the JVC 4K will be just great.
Do any of you use the RS20 for color grading?

I stopped by the JVC booth today briefly, they had a nice 4k 50" panel on display there ( $80,000 ) and nobody i talked to seemed to know anything about a $10,000 4k projector, they did have plans for a $200,000 4k projector to be released next year though.

 

[Bing Bailey]

havent read 28 pages of this thread but...

Can you make it cheaper? :-D

Okay, to be fair this looks like a VERY pro card, quad HD-SDI, which seems to me that it'll be capable of driving 4k projector/monitors, etc. Quite a capable beast and worth every damn cent of $4995.

So, how about another card that only does say, 2k output but will still help me drive my R3Ds fast for like, $1k-$2k?

Shawn,

I think you maybe going broke soon. with all these products coming out not many people will be able to resist. who will say no to editing real time 4k without having to create offline files and extra data and having to have that storage times 4. I'd love to just edit the r3d's and output at the end.

What a great year to be into RED

 

[Bing Bailey]

Now all we need is those 4k Displays and Projectors to complete the chain. I hope if the projectors eventually come out they are based on LED Bulbs like phlatlight so it won't cost an arm and a leg replacing them like mercury lamps with 2000 hour life span

 

[Deanan]

I'd love to be able to answer that... I was not there. My sources tell me it looked amazing.

We did some tests showing RR vs uncompressed and the RR version was more often picked as the uncompressed source.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

So, how about another card that only does say, 2k output but will still help me drive my R3Ds fast for like, $1k-$2k?

If that were possible, 2k out from 5k and below for $2k, then I'd be hard to resist buying one for myself. Then charge the guys that need 4k output a little more since they got more dough.

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Think about it though... The best 2k comes from a full downsample from 4k or 5k. So outputting "best" 2k from 4k or 5k involves an extra step, and is actually harder.

 

[Bing Bailey]

Think about it though... The best 2k comes from a full downsample from 4k or 5k. So outputting "best" 2k from 4k or 5k involves an extra step, and is actually harder.

it must be extremely satisfying to go from having to deal with every one elses codecs and systems and their compromises and flaws and creating your own and have it be the best of all worlds with minimal flaws

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Think about it though... The best 2k comes from a full downsample from 4k or 5k. So outputting "best" 2k from 4k or 5k involves an extra step, and is actually harder.

Hmmm... yea, I think I though of that some time last night... the last 24+ hs have been a blur for me.

Thank you for your explanations though Graeme, it always helps to see how things really work so it is great hearing it from you.

I have a good idea of how things might fall into place, but at the same time I feel it could all be so different from how I think it will be. I can't wait to get the spec sheets on both Red Ray and Red Rocket.

I guess this is what you couldn't share back when you told me not to worry about how heavy RC100 and RC250 sounded like. :thumbsup:

 

[Zach Hilton]

Jeff how did the image from the 10mps look , was it as good as the other demo's red has done ?

Bing, I've been to the first showings of the Red Reels at the past 2 years Red has been at NAB, sat front row at those, and 2nd row [which was still really close] at the reel they showed the other night with RR compression. I don't consider myself the best trained eye at all, but during the projection, I leaned over to my friend and said "Isn't it great watching uncompressed Red footage on a 4k projector?" I couldn't tell a difference. Then Ted dropped the bomb saying that it was Redray footage at 10 Mbits/s and I was blown away. I'm sure a difference is there, but it wasn't noticeable at all to my eyes, or anyone who was there to my knowledge. It was really really REALLY impressive.

 

[david farland]

So with the Red Rocket in my computer.....

- I can scrub or play realtime 4K HQ in FCP/Premiere/Redcine etc application to dual DVI 2K monitor....yeah?
- or do a full debayered, rendered etc output to tape (hdcam/dvcpro) via hdsdi output on card?
- Is the card spec 4 x dual link hdsdi?

thanks in advance...Dave

 

[Deanan]

I couldn't tell a difference. Then Ted dropped the bomb saying that it was Redray footage at 10 Mbits/s and I was blown away. I'm sure a difference is there, but it wasn't noticeable at all to my eyes, or anyone who was there to my knowledge. It was really really REALLY impressive.

During the first time we played the RED Ray reel, Graeme leaned over and said "so we're going to play the Red Ray version tonight?" (paraphrased)

I replied: nope, your're watching it now...

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Deanan's right - I didn't know the order of play ahead of time, so I was as in the dark as the audience for watching it first time through, not knowing the source. I couldn't tell...

Graeme

 

[SF Geek]

I just want a clarification because it still seems fuzzy to me. Does this thing transcode in realtime as well, or is it just for display?

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

It generates an RGB image. I assume you'll need the next piece of the puzzle to encode it to something else.

Think of the RED Rocket as a magic box. As far as the computer is concerned it's just asking the RED API for frame 10 with ZYX color meta data. The RED API says "Here it is." The application thanks the RED API and displays the RGB image however it is used to normally displaying the image.

I would assume (I've never seen the SDK but this is a pretty safe assumption) that the 'host' application has no idea how the RED API works. It just knows how to ask for a frame correctly. The RED API takes care of all the voodoo and returns the result.

So if you have a RED Rocket plugged in the RED API just passes along the message to REDROCKET "Hey this application wants frame 10. ASAP!" The card gives it to the API and the API hands it off to the application. If you don't have RED Rocket the API handles the debayer itself using your CPU.

As far as applications are concerned if RED made this thing the way I assume they made it then there is no difference and no work necessary to make this thing work.

So if you're running The Foundry's Nuke. Autodesk Flame. Avid or any other app which supports r3d natively and uses the REDCODE API then this makes them work in real time automatically.

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Now I'm curious as to how the SDI ports will work though. For instance if you're running Nuke and you have 4 greenscreen shots all of which are calling the API for r3d data I assume the HD SDI ports aren't going to be flickering between the 4 r3d files.

How does RED Rocket know which to output through its own output ports? Or will that part of the equation need to be explicitely instructed to the card?

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

Netflix? Maybe iTunes??

Maybe REDflix.

 

[Rainer Fritz]

RED Rocket rocks.......

 

[Shane Betts]

Think of the RED Rocket as a magic box.

OK, I'm with you so far...