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RED ONE offer - what is included?

More on REDFLASH and confirmation of a few things:

As of the L.A. screening, REDFLASH did not appear to be a "slot" into which cards would be locked [think P2]. It appeared to be slightly larger than a "card" might be... something that clicked into the side of the camera. The REDFLASH interface [read: not the storage, but the interface that the storage clicks into] filled the red section illuminated in my previous post. I hate to be this obscure, but it looked very similar to the XBox 360 controller battery interface [clicky], where the battery would be the flash magazine and the port where the battery "clicks" into would be the REDFLASH. Note that this is merely what it looked like to me [on an old body design] - things have probably changed by now.

We do not currently know if the $17,500 kit will include the REDFLASH interface, the interface + a flash magazine or no REDFLASH at all. I have my guesses. [edit: looks like it will include the interface: see Jim's post below]

To clear up any potential confusion: the LCD is not onboard - it can be mounted anywhere on the body or on any accessories within cable reach. We know it's 720p, presumably 8-bit. This LCD can display the image or image/camera data [think waveform monitor, histogram, capture settings, frame rate, shutter angle, etc].

The camera ships with a PL mount.

The $17,500 does not include the mini-RAID. It also does not include the RED RAIL or CAGE. We do not know if the handle or low mount [pictured in the attached image] are included - I doubt they will be. It does not include the EVF [electronic viewfinder], though the EVF will be available at launch [for an unknown price]. We know that the EVF will cost more than the LCD - there may be a possibility to forgo the LCD and take a discount on the EVF at the time of camera purchase.

There isn't much new in this post that hasn't already been covered. There is also some rampant speculation. We'll know in March.

[edit:]
So, the new confirmed list:

RED ONE camera body
720p LCD
RED FLASH interface no media included
 
We will clarify all details soon... but a couple of corrections. The shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port. That will be an option (we don't think many will actually use it). The onboard RED FLASH drive WILL be included as part of the standard package (but not the media). The media will be a bargain (IMHO).

Jim
 
Jannard said:
We will clarify all details soon... The media will be a bargain (IMHO).
Jim
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That is great news and I would suspect the first choice for many of us. Thanks for not creating a range of products based on trickle down tech and a cripple-ware range of cameras. This philosophy is greatly appreciated by us...
 
Does anyone know this.

I am not 100% on this, the flash media can do exactly what the Red drive can do right? Except for the fact that it has less memory of course.
 
Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim
 
Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?
 
Jannard said:
We will clarify all details soon... but a couple of corrections. The shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port. That will be an option (we don't think many will actually use it). The onboard RED FLASH drive WILL be included as part of the standard package (but not the media). The media will be a bargain (IMHO).

Jim
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So will we be able to achieve higher FPS for footage recorded to RED FLASH? I just went to the Red website and looked at the format options but didn't see anything for RED FLASH. That would so useful. I will rarely want high FPS, but for those few action bursts, it would just rock my world. I'm writing a short right now for the Red that needs at least 60fps for a few seconds.
 
Andrew Benz said:
Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?
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Ya flash typically is. Mainly what I was wondering was if it could write the same info as the RAID but if flash is as fast or faster then the raid then I assume it can do at least exactly the same as the raid.
 
The primary advantage to the RED DRIVE is cost/MB.

Jim
 
Finner-Ya flash typically is. Mainly what I was wondering was if it could write the same info as the RAID but if flash is as fast or faster then the raid then I assume it can do at least exactly the same as the raid.
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"Obviously you're not a golfer." (homage to your avatar ;-) Right on, I did not understand you at first.

Cheers
 
Jannard said:
Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim
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On that note, is there any behind the scenes documentary work being done?



(if not, I know a great videographer......) :D
 
Andrew Benz said:
Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?
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the cost difference may be a big pull towards redraid for me though...
 
If the shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port so what connection does redDrive uses?
 
The RED DRIVE does not record RAW, only REDCODE, so it was never intended to connect to the RAW port. We have been told it will use a dedicated multipin connector from the camera, probably carrying eSATA and power, among other things.

Nick
 
Thanks Nick, I see whole thing much clearer now.
 
Okay, some clarifications:

- Both RED-DRIVE & REDFLASH record REDCODE RAW & RGB (our codec)

- Both RED-DRIVE & REDFLASH have the exact same resolution / frame rate options

- RED-DRIVE has the advantage in price / storage (recording length) combination

- REDFLASH has the reliability (no moving parts, no magnetic recording, more shock proof etc.) advantage

- REDFLASH is a "removable" module that plugs (in) to the left side (operator smart side) of the camera with a slot for flash memory cards

- RED-DRIVE is a 2.5" RAID system hard disk magazine that you can mount where you want and connects through one (!) cable

disclaimer: as always things are subject to change
 
Cool, for those that don't know, eSATA has higher throughput than FW800 or USB2. You can get eSATA connectors for you laptop if you have an expresscard slot for under 100.00 USD (I have one from SIIG). You can get PCIe cards for around 100 or less also. Some of the newer desktops are coming out with eSATA connections for external expansion. Shuttle PC is one of them.
Note...this is not the same as hooking up a regular SATA drive externally.

Joe C.
 
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