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RED ONE offer - what is included?

Any chance of buffered recording to the flash unit, so you can pre-record a few seconds (or maybe even longer)?

I'm in altruistic mode here - I wouldn't use it much (if ever) but the nature and doco boys would be very happy, I think, if it were possible...
 
zeke said:
Cool, for those that don't know, eSATA has higher throughput than FW800 or USB2. You can get eSATA connectors for you laptop if you have an expresscard slot for under 100.00 USD (I have one from SIIG). You can get PCIe cards for around 100 or less also. Some of the newer desktops are coming out with eSATA connections for external expansion. Shuttle PC is one of them.
Note...this is not the same as hooking up a regular SATA drive externally.

Joe C.
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SATA-based Xserve RAID prototype escapes from Apple (photos)
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2422
 
Weird that this "leaked" out... Probably because Apple is taking a huge amount of flak right now over their long-overdue update to the XServe RAID. SATA was bound to be included with the next revision - no other option about it. Now hopefully Apple will bring their prices down a bit. I can understand paying the "Apple tax" premium, but their XServe RAID prices are still floating in the stratosphere. Others are offering 14x750GB (1TB drives soon) using SATA-II drives and equivalent 2Gb FC (some now using 4Gb FC) interfaces for like 25% less.
 
Ok, so do we have a good guess on the bottom line?

Ok, so do we have a good guess on the bottom line?

Hi Red

I am just curious, if we want the whole package, not including lenses, but screens, viewfinder and storage for at least 1hr of footage, what are we looking at? I mean are we staying within the 20K range for it or is it going to jump up to the 30-40K range? I just want to prepare myself for it and I was going to reserve two more cameras on sunday if the extra stuff doesn't double the price. I know those are just guesses, I just want to make sure I can actually afford it.

Marco
 
Brook Willard said:
To clear up any potential confusion: the LCD is not onboard - it can be mounted anywhere on the body or on any accessories within cable reach.
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Mmm... except that's precisely how they're defining "onboard." :)

It should be stated that the LCD is not permanently attached, integrated, or in any other way non-removable from the body. However, it is "onboard" just as the RED-DRIVE is. Just semantics, but it's good if we're all on the same page.
 
marco somaini said:
Hi Red

I am just curious, if we want the whole package, not including lenses, but screens, viewfinder and storage for at least 1hr of footage, what are we looking at? I mean are we staying within the 20K range for it or is it going to jump up to the 30-40K range? I just want to prepare myself for it and I was going to reserve two more cameras on sunday if the extra stuff doesn't double the price. I know those are just guesses, I just want to make sure I can actually afford it.

Marco
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As previously stated:

$17,500 RESERVATION gets you the camera, LCD and RED FLASH interface.
The mini-RAID will be <$1,000
We do not know the price of the EVF or LCD, but we do know that the EVF will cost more than the LCD. Speculation on price would be just that... there are EVFs on the market that cost more than the RED ONE itself. Will RED's EVF cost that much? Of course not. Will it be $1,000? $2,000? $5,000? We just don't know... and I don't want to speculate.

Will it be $30,000 or $40,000 total [with the parts that you mentioned]? Hell no.
 
Häakon said:
Mmm... except that's precisely how they're defining "onboard." :)

It should be stated that the LCD is not permanently attached, integrated, or in any other way non-removable from the body. However, it is "onboard" just as the RED-DRIVE is. Just semantics, but it's good if we're all on the same page.
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"Will the RED FLASH be included?"
"Yes."
"So I can shoot onto flash right out of the box?"
"No, you'll need RED FLASH media to record onto"
"So RED FLASH isn't included."
"Wrong. RED FLASH is included."
"..."

Bloody semantics. ;)
 
Justin Anderson said:
the cost difference may be a big pull towards redraid for me though...
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Yeah same here Justin, though I want to have both starting off to fill my panopoly of needs. I just won't have a lot of flash starting out.

Cheers
 
Jannard said:
Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim
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Jim, I hope you're private blogging (dear diary...) all of this grand adventure for posterity. I, for one, would enjoy reading it immensely.
 
Just submitted my reservation for RED this morning [Sunday 21 Jan. 07], so I'm wondering about this stuff, too. The way I see it [EDIT: added RED rail to "bare-bones" RED package]:

RED camera body w/LCD . . . . $17,500
RED 1HR on-board storage . . . . .1,000
Nikon F-mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
RED Rail (to mount bricks onto) . . . . ?

Lenses: I already own ton of fast Nikkor 35mm lenses.
Batteries: I already own 4 Anton Bauer ProPak14 bricks, a V-mount to Gold Mount adapter, and a four-position Anton Bauer charger.
Camera support: Already own a Vinten Vision 5 and a Steadicam Flyer.

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter, and the RED rail!
 
Can I suggest you get at least 2 of whatever you're planning on recording onto, Ralph??!

Otherwise you're gonna be real unpopular with the Director and 1st (and pretty much everyone else!) whilst they're waiting to shoot 'cause your AC is downloading the mag's footage!...
 
Yep 2 record devices is a must in most situations I would think... I suppose it depends on your workflow, but you should definitely consider it. Also, I don't think the RED FLASH will be $1000 for an hour of record time. I would guess the FLASH reader is either included with the camera or well under $1K. But FLASH memory right now is running about $120 for an 8GB CF - for the good stuff (from a good discount vendor) and that's still not quite fast enough for REDCODE RAW. Not sure what RED guys are using or anticipating to use with RED FLASH, but I would think a 32GB FLASH module is about the smallest that makes real sense as that would give about 20 minutes of REDCODE RAW at 27MB/s.

The RED DRIVE will be about $1K for 320GB and is a much better deal if you won't be as concerned about damage to dthe drive mechanisms.
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
Just submitted my reservation for RED this morning, so I'm wondering about this stuff, too. The way I see it:

RED camera body w/LCD . . . . $17,500
RED 1HR FLASH . . . . . . . . . . . .1,000
Nikon F-mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

Lenses: I already own ton of fast Nikkor 35mm lenses.
Batteries: I already own 4 Anton Bauer ProPak14 bricks, a V-mount to Gold Mount adapter, and a four-position Anton Bauer charger.
Camera support: Already own a Vinten Vision 5 and a Steadicam Flyer.

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for only $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter!
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You might wanna upgrade from the Flyer, the cam's going to definitely max out its top weight range.
 
pixelchef said:
You might wanna upgrade from the Flyer, the cam's going to definitely max out its top weight range.
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Well, I don't think so. At least, I hope not! I don't need an EVF or a brick on the camera when mounted on the Flyer (the camera is powered by the brick on the Flyer's sled). I'm only mounting Nikkor primes on the camera (which are only a pound or two). How much is the body supposed to weigh with no EVF, no battery, and only a flash drive on-board? The Flyer is rated for cameras weighing up to 15 pounds. I fly my full-sized, 15 lb. Sony DSR450 (plus a 2lb. VCT14 plate) on it with about two inches still left above the gimbal.
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for only $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter!
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However . . . I JUST realized that the earlier renderings of RED with the RED rail included the V-mount on the back of the RED rail. There is no provision for an on-board battery to mount onto the current image of the bare RED camera body alone (I assume power in this configuration would be cabled). So, it seems, I would also have to pop for the RED rail (which is ultra-cool anyway), if I want to mount on-board batteries onto the camera. So, I guess I'm pushing my projected, bare-bones $18.5 RED package total price up a bit more. Any word on an approximate price on RED rail?
 
Will RED's EVF cost that much? Of course not. Will it be $1,000? $2,000? $5,000? We just don't know... and I don't want to speculate.

Panasonics 720P viewfinder for the HDX is about 3K now I know a guy who builds pretty good adapter cables? Can I get a badge to cover the panasonic logo?
 
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