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Red Europe - it's Official.

tlorenzo said:
I have NEVER had any customs problems and I have NEVER heard of anyone who've had problems with customs when buying from the UK to another country within the EEC (European Economic Community). There's no customs between those countries.
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something strange about getting things from the U.K. though...it gets expensive.

I tried to order some books through amazons UK site and it turned out more expensive than getting it shipped from amazons stateside store. (seriously).
So ever since I moved to Europe I have ordered from stateside, ironically enough, and saved a buck or two.

Not to mention the crazy prices of other companies as soon as a product lands in the U.K.

My understanding of electronics here in Hungary is its 20% tacked on and thats it.(well minus the stores extortion fees... :) )
But say getting stuff from B&H in New york turns out a lot cheaper as an example.

But things that go to the U.K. get all kind of things put on it, and then when it gets to Hungary gets stuff added to it again it seems. (Yes we are in the S. agreement, just got added this past January I believe.)

So lets hope that U.K. works out, or it may be cheaper to have a red/scarlet shipped from Cali to Budapest. :)

By the way, some time ago I swear that there was mention of an office opening in Prague. What happened with that idea? Wouldnt mind a visit to Prague to pick up a scarlet. ;)

Peace

dAlen

p.s.
I dont think people are upset that Red is in the U.K. per-say.
Its just that in the scope of things, they may have liked something centrally located to all of Europe - as well as being concerned about the fact that the U.K. is kind of pricey to have ones operating base in... which 'typically' passes the cost along to the consumer. Ive driven from budapest to Belgium before, but never quite drove on over to the U.K. (there is something to say about time and distance and being located on an island.) :)
 
just simple:

thanks to the red team for the european service.
thanks thanks thanks.

the worst nightmare for creatives (filling papers for custom and bureaucracy) are history.

did i tell you? again. thanks!
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Thanks very much Jarred and Co. This is great news.

Pinewood is at the heart of European film-making and will be an ideal spot for Red's base in my opinion. It's only 10 miles out of heathrow for those travelling in from other European locations and I would be surprised if you had issues with customs. Everytime I've taken the camera and gear in and out of the country I've had no problems. You won't be charged taxes on stuff since it's upgrades and maintenance, not to mention the fact that the UK is an EU country and therefore VAT has already been charged to your items when it came over from the US. Also postage around Europe is relatively similar wherever you are. Of course I'm biased because the place is practically on my doorstep but even if I was based in Germany or Spain I'd still prefer this option to having to send stuff or travel to the US. I also think that the opportunity and excuse to visit Pinewood is something anyone should look forward to, it's a great place!

Some of the stuff written in this thread is frankly a bit insulting.

Paul
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
Only negative for Europeans is that they still don't use euros.
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Regardless the great news and the proximity nobody discusses, that's a real bummer, the currency thing (my wife is Scottish, and whenever we go there, it's so ridiculous and a real pain to change money)... But besides that, i'm real happy with this. It's capital news and so cool to have finally and so quickly put up a Red Centre in Europe! You guys rock big time! Why wasn't that in Recon?

Thanks for this investment!
 
I like England and London very much.

If the political situation and example like this (MUST HAVE READ) getting more and worst in Vienna and Austria I'm definitely moving in UK.
 
Congratulations, RED team. This is a remarkable achievement in a very short time. Nice work.

As an owner who suffered damage in the insufferable hands of the EU's byzantine tax rules for a simple camera repair, I'm very happy to see this development. It makes overseas shooting a viable option again, to know that a camera can be repaired and returned without customs risks. I hope this works well. Pinewood is an excellent affiliation.
 
Pinewood = great (and a lovely surrounding)
Pound = c'mon that is not a reason. Pay by credit card :)
Fish n' Chips = go to Dulwich, there you get London's and arguably the world's best Fish n' Chips, and those are phantastic!
If you are there on a Sunday, take a trip to Box Hill in the summer. Cool motorbike 'n burger place. Or treat yourself to a Sunday Lunch in a proper pub.
 
Yeah, the pound is no problem. I'm an ex-pat Brit living in the US and I never change money when I visit the UK - especially at the airports. I use US credit cards exclusively and only get petty cash out of a cash machine (where you get better rates than at one of those awful Bureau de Change booths) for things like buying a few beers at the bar etc.. Restaurants? Credit card. For service of your Red, the UK pound is not a problem to anyone from anywhere.

Talking of restaurants, the food in the UK is a whole lot better than it was when I left 20 years ago. If you can't find something good, you're just not trying.

(Thinks: Pinewood huh...? Need an excuse to visit...)
 
The problem is not to pay by credit card in Pounds. When you're professional (and it's what the Reds are aimed at, no ?) you're dealing with taxes/VAT/currency changes (the European banks charge currency conversion, which is a shame for a Red European center). When you're doing business in the Euro zone, every company has a VAT-number which simplifies the VAT problem (and I suppose there will be VAT on repair, otherwise it's illegal, even in the UK) and the exchange of goods.

If a shooter comes from outside Europe (geographically speaking, for instance USA) without declaring their camera at the customs and if the camera has to be repaired (in the UK or in the Euro zone) it will be considered as an export and as an import when sent back. It will then induce VAT problems. It's not a general rule, but it happened to me.

I'm doing regularly business with the UK and Switzerland (Denmark doesn't belong to the Euro zone either), sending and buying goods. It's more paperwork, and less insurance for a professional, tha'ts all. It's considered to be importation and exportation outside Europe from an admnistration/legal/fiscal point of view. That's why Europe is for. But it doesn't change a lot for an individual who just pays by credit card without caring of everything else, of course.

Jean-Charles
 
I have never had VAT problems with the UK. They are part of the same zone for VAT even though the currency is not the same. When you buy goods or services from the UK you can give your European VAT number and it won't be charged to you, just like with other European countries.

And regarding currency changes fees, I am sure the European RED service center will have an account in Euros that you'll be able to pay to, like most UK businesses that do a lot of a trade with other European countries.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Emanuel,

The markets seem to think the Euro may not survive the financial crisis.

http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-c...-be-the-credit-crunchs-next-victim-13758.aspx

Stephen
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Hi Stephen,

Too much worried, actually. xe.com has become my homepage. I hope the euro economy may prevail, though. We have the largest economy of the world.

As matter of fact, I should confess... If the things will keep going on this route, I will transfer all my money for dollars (and try to earn something with). I hope not.

Emanuel

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19884
 
Hi,

If you need to bring a camera in & out of the EU or to other countries you need an ATA Carnet.

You currently pay RED in USD, that involves a currency transaction. Has RED stated that they will no longer bill in USD?

Stephen

kstewart said:
The problem is not to pay by credit card in Pounds. When you're professional (and it's what the Reds are aimed at, no ?) you're dealing with taxes/VAT/currency changes (the European banks charge currency conversion, which is a shame for a Red European center). When you're doing business in the Euro zone, every company has a VAT-number which simplifies the VAT problem (and I suppose there will be VAT on repair, otherwise it's illegal, even in the UK) and the exchange of goods.

If a shooter comes from outside Europe (geographically speaking, for instance USA) without declaring their camera at the customs and if the camera has to be repaired (in the UK or in the Euro zone) it will be considered as an export and as an import when sent back. It will then induce VAT problems. It's not a general rule, but it happened to me.

I'm doing regularly business with the UK and Switzerland (Denmark doesn't belong to the Euro zone either), sending and buying goods. It's more paperwork, and less insurance for a professional, tha'ts all. It's considered to be importation and exportation outside Europe from an admnistration/legal/fiscal point of view. That's why Europe is for. But it doesn't change a lot for an individual who just pays by credit card without caring of everything else, of course.

Jean-Charles
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kstewart said:
The problem is not to pay by credit card in Pounds. When you're professional (and it's what the Reds are aimed at, no ?) you're dealing with taxes/VAT/currency changes (the European banks charge currency conversion, which is a shame for a Red European center). When you're doing business in the Euro zone, every company has a VAT-number which simplifies the VAT problem (and I suppose there will be VAT on repair, otherwise it's illegal, even in the UK) and the exchange of goods.

If a shooter comes from outside Europe (geographically speaking, for instance USA) without declaring their camera at the customs and if the camera has to be repaired (in the UK or in the Euro zone) it will be considered as an export and as an import when sent back. It will then induce VAT problems. It's not a general rule, but it happened to me.

I'm doing regularly business with the UK and Switzerland (Denmark doesn't belong to the Euro zone either), sending and buying goods. It's more paperwork, and less insurance for a professional, tha'ts all. It's considered to be importation and exportation outside Europe from an admnistration/legal/fiscal point of view. That's why Europe is for. But it doesn't change a lot for an individual who just pays by credit card without caring of everything else, of course.

Jean-Charles
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I'm sorry Jean-Charles, but the british are less complicated than any continental excluding the german, scandinavian or dutch. So, I cannot understand your insistence. There's no problem at all with british since they are as much europeans as you and me. No less UE citizens. Including as far as VAT or customs concern. Same paperwork, anyone can count on that.

Steven-Marc said:
And regarding currency changes fees, I am sure the European RED service center will have an account in Euros that you'll be able to pay to, like most UK businesses that do a lot of a trade with other European countries.
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Why shouldn't they do that?
 
OK, I don't insist anymore, we'll wait and see... You may change your mind once you'll have a problem on set, and the producers urging you to solve this in 24 hours... It happens more often than you think...

Judging from the experience I had with Red, I'm concerned, that's all... The gear is great, the ideas too, but some choices are, in my opinion, "clumsy". Even if I love the Red picture, I won't buy a Red till I don't have a repair and store center in Europe, that's my choice ! And an affordable PC solution (still no QT wrapper ? no Premiere plugin ? No Redcine with sound and decent DNxHD export ?)

And I will certainly not change all my money to dollars...

Jean-Charles
 
A useful link>>>

ATA Carnet

Clear Customs. Duty Free. Tax Free. Hassle Free.

A Carnet or ATA Carnet is an international customs document issued by 70 countries.
It is presented when entering a Carnet country with merchandise or equipment that will be re-exported within 12 months.
 
Thanks Sanjin for posting that link.

If you have your paperwork in order there should be no problem.

** Those fees are steep though when you come to think about the amount you need to cover - but worth it.

Andrew.
 
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