Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red & Dslr...

Miltos Pilalitos said:
If you check all the answers you will see that most of the people who don't have their cameras yet think that the top picture is RED. Most of the current RED owners know that the second one is the RED even if there was some confusion for a few minutes.

:biggrin:
Click to expand...

Ha ha ha ha ha :) I do have RED and Canon 40D.

The top picture is shot on RED B16.

First things first:

Why should Jim show us that another camera (DSLR or any Digital Cinema) is better then RED B16 in any sort of comparison?

Don't forget that Jim Jannard makes and sells RED, but no Canon, Nikon, Genesis or D-21...

There is no logic to show here or anywhere that other product beats the product you sell.
 
I'm hearing the:

"Whatever you're expecting, you will be surprised".

.. again.

Someone check if it isn't a multilayered image, hiding an ancient Maya CMOS technology of alien origin.
 
They both look great. But the first is the DSLR and the second is RED.

Here is why I think that:

Because I own a RED, I know what wavelet compression + sharpening look like, the wavelet compression gives away that the 2nd is Red, it also looks like it has the HIGH setting checked for olpf compensation. Its not bad at all- just a great way to fit all of that data into a manageable file size.

Both colors are good too.

Another thing that is a tell- the second one has just a bit more Dof (from cropping 4k from the 4.5K size sensor)

I really cant complain though, this camera rocks.

If I am wrong on this- I will be extremely surprised....
 
i want the top image to be red, but i dont think it is.
 
Another point of interest... The Canon file is 10 times larger than the RED file at capture... :-)

Jim
 
The rampant noise reduction / over sharpening in the second one give it away as the Canon image. Remember the Red has some of the most minimal in camera processing of any digital camera, and that really reveals the uglyness and artifacts in the preprocessed images.

top: red
bottom: canon

EDIT: Just reviewed the images WHO KNOWS! Congrats to RED it's pretty stunning either way.
 
Jannard said:
Another point of interest... The Canon file is 10 times larger than the RED file at capture... :-)

Jim
Click to expand...

When you said that you have cropped and scaled (slightly) the Canon you didn't say if you scaled up or down. Could you share this info with us now?
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
When you said that you have cropped and scaled (slightly) the Canon you didn't say if you scaled up or down. Could you share this info with us now?
Click to expand...
That's why I made this post to clarify the issue. :) The sensor in the Canon is larger, and you have to either crop or scale the image (down) to get it to red size. Keep in mind, however, the Canon is a 10MP camera - so the photosites are larger. This comparison isn't really apples to apples, though Jim never said it was. :-)

The point about the Canon file size being larger is also valid, combined with the fact that the Canon cannot shoot 24fps. So like the Canon picture better or not, it's irrelevant as you can't make (traditional) movies with it. :-)
 
Martin Weiss said:
Make sure that you are not taking Hollywood Schmoolywood´s. That would get ugly :bye2:
Click to expand...

Ooh, so you've been digging at his underpants?!? Now THATS ugly ;) ... Naah, I'll stick with my own :shifty:

Now seriously, if the top image IS red.. I'll eat em I tell you! That picture looks to have a totally different noise characteristic than previous builds (for the better I think. But the bottom pic is also nice :)..)
 
Häakon said:
That's why I made this post to clarify the issue. :) The sensor in the Canon is larger, and you have to either crop or scale the image (down) to get it to red size. Keep in mind, however, the Canon is a 10MP camera - so the photosites are larger. This comparison isn't really apples to apples, though Jim never said it was. :-)

The point about the Canon file size being larger is also valid, combined with the fact that the Canon cannot shoot 24fps. So like the Canon picture better or not, it's irrelevant as you can't make (traditional) movies with it. :-)
Click to expand...

I agree with everything you said. Considering all this, i conclude that even if the top picture (Canon) looks slightly better, the true winner is RED.


EDIT: The Canon is 21MP though...
 
Guys, Jim was answering the question from another thread first, about comparison of RED to DLSR.

Right after Jims answer to another thread, this thread popped up with the comparison.
Judging on the time when top picture was created and the second one just after, you should all know by now what is RED and what is Canon.
If someone ask you to compare Canon to RED which shot you will do first?

Anyway, I will eat underwear (of my girlfriend) if bottom one is not RED.
Since I didn't play with B16 frames, I can't tell if top picture is from B16 or not but judging on the details in the top one I will say it is soft Canon 1Ds Mark III. I have seen better shots from MK III.
Jim said that he didn't do much with Canon so maybe that is why it is bit soft as for MK III.

Common! we are trying to compare 21MP with 12MP here and we still have trouble?
 
Ok, I think I got it. Copy the files to Photoshop and look at the blue channels of F4, G4, and H4 squares at 400%. In file 9_1a.jpg, which is the upper one, one can see patterns of wavelet compression. In file 9_1b.jpg such patterns do not exist. Conclusion, the top one, 9_1a is from Red One, the bottom one is from Canon.
 
Judging by how the specular highlights are modeled on the metal and the glossy paint tubes, and considering how I've just been through a DI session with footage shot from our RED, I think it's the top picture. Top is Red.
 
Didn't read the entire thread yet, so I don't know if the jig is up...but I'm going to say:

Top: Canon
Bottom: RED

Color handling, and noise characteristics...but this really drives the point home doesn't it?
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
When you said that you have cropped and scaled (slightly) the Canon you didn't say if you scaled up or down. Could you share this info with us now?
Click to expand...

The RED file opens at 4096x2048 from about a 1.5MB file. The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048.

Jim
 
To make it clear about Canon sensor size>>>Canon 1D MKIII:

"This is a 10.1 Megapixel camera able to shoot at 10 FPS, for up to 30 frames in RAW mode, and 110 frames in JPG."

LINK>>>
 
hehehe...still no answer?
this thread is worth to be shown to every client who is interessted in shooting red....and all the cynical guys from lalaland
 
Jannard said:
The RED file opens at 4096x2048 from about a 1.5MB file. The 1D MKIII opens at 3888x2592 from an 11.6MB file . So I 1st cropped the Canon to 2:1 format (3888x1944), then scaled it back up (slightly) to 4096x2048.

Jim
Click to expand...

So it is not Canon 1Ds 21MP it is 1D MKIII that is only 10MP!!

Now I am confused.....................
 
Jannard said:
What the hell is everyone doing up at this hour? I have an excuse... I'm nuts.

Jim
Click to expand...

I was up too, and am kicking myself for not checking the board before sacking out. This is too good.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top