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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red & Dslr...

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ok : final analysis :-)

top image

pros : has much better defined blue sharpness, overall image quality is sharper
cons : highlights seems to have blown out a touch earlier than the bottom image and also has some speckling on the yellows within the blue channel.

bottom image

pros : seems to have slightly more DR, the blue channel is even throughout the colour range.
cons : the blue channel is blurry, less defined. The overall image is softer.

i reserve the right to be wrong.
 
I guess the bottom line is... if you are not sure, we are doing pretty well. Time for bed. It is 2:50pm and I have no excuse for being up so late on this stuff.

Jim
 
Hmmm ... they are very very VERY close (which is great news !!!)

It would be good to know how the Canon RAW was processed ? ACR default settings ? or what ?

Looking at the blue channel (Photoshop), I first though that the bottom image was RED, however, the bottom right scale on the chart is sharpened too much on the bottom image (the top image being very clean). I've never managed to get this much sharpening out of RedCine (never used RedAlert in anger so cannot comment if achievable in RA).
Again, in the blue channel, some interest edge effects for many of the bottom right swatches (and up a bit) on both images, this time top image appearing more sharp ... hmmm.

Looking at the overall image (all channels) the level of sharpening present on the bottom image just 'feels' like a DSLR.

My conclusion so far : top = RED & bottom = Canon

Edit : good work guys ... how about some outside shots with fine repeating detail ;-)
 
It's astounding that the images are so close no one can really definitively say which is which. Try a similar test with any other Digital Cinema camera and I doubt it would look this good.
I would say the top is RED, the bottom is Canon.
 
The first shot is greener but the second one has a lot of magenta.
I didnt see magenta on my RED but I dont have RED zoom. Maybe RED zoom gives magenta look.

Here is something what i wanna show you. Compare these photos and you will see the color difference.

First:

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This is the RED !
 
The second:

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Someone has cleaner signal...and it is ???


Jannard, the RED lenses are digital optimized?
 
People here don't know well both, RED and Canon.

Top one is RED.

Bottom is Canon.

First thing you have to look it's about DoP.

Second if you ever were worked with RED or Canon you know something about a color rendition difference between them.

Third thing are the picture quality, resolution, sharpness, etc,... that all are on RED side.
 
The top picture is Red

The lower one is Canon.

The softness in the lower image is typical of the Canon lens, according to one of my partners and Canon expert. Also as has ben mentioned there is a little CA in the top image, the Canon lens as no CA.

Do the test again with the same lens, now that'll be a challenge !

Both beautiful high quality images in any case.

Cheers,
Damien
 
The Third Man said:
People here don't know well both, RED and Canon.

Top one is RED.

Bottom is Canon.

First thing you have to look it's about DoP.

Second if you ever were worked with RED or Canon you know something about a color rendition difference between them.

Third thing are the picture quality, resolution, sharpness, etc,... that all are on RED side.
Click to expand...

Sanjin, do you have RED zoom?
Did you ever seen magenta on the gray scale?

the RED lenses are digital optimized?
 
I have it! BOTH are the Red One. There was never a DSLR. Jim was just playing the mind games like they did back to me in '82....
 
I'm not a Canon expert. I'm a Nikon user so I can only judge from Jim's previous examples (B16 ISO comparison thread).
Top one is Red.
Lower one is Canon.
It's a tough call though which proves the point.
Jim, would you mind repeating the test with a prime lens (if possible using the same lens on both cameras)?
Thanks for the tease, err... I meant for the test.
 
Mmmh...could be.
For sure first one Red B16.
Second one maybe B15 or Canon.
I´m working since years with Canon DSLR. The second one looks like Canon with Adobe Raw converter. Specially the table reflexes and the CA on the Liquitex look to me like Canon. Also the bokeh of the lens seems to be Canon...mmmh
Do you know we have people over here buying a Red One to take photographs!
 
Top: Red
Bottom: Canon

Justification: Look at the table and the surrounding of the reflection of gretagmacbeth. A careful examination reveals in the dark areas of the top one the wavelet compression.
 
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