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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red & Dslr...

Compare the edge sharpness of the color fields. The second image (RED) has a characteristic softness for some colors, while the first image (Canon) is equally sharp for all fields.

Edit: Rocketeer already said it...
 
Oliver Skibbe said:
Compare the edge sharpness of the color fields. The second image (RED) has a characteristic softness for some colors, while the first image (Canon) is equally sharp for all fields.
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If that first one is Canon they would really have to look in to that CA problem.
Just look at that
 
I'll probably poop my pants if it's the first one. The second one has many "RED" qualities.

1.creamy texture.

2.More DOF if the Canon was not scaled to a 1.6 crop.

3.linear looking at the top of the curve perhaps?

I haven't got the images into PS or anything....
 
I think the bottom one is Red.

My reasoning is the way it seems to render sharp lines between the dark and bright colour squares. This is something Ive seen on previous colour charts posted.

but it is closer than I thought it would be.

Personlly I'd love to see this test on a high detailed forest scene, because this is where I think the difference would have been seen much clearer between DSLR and Red (on build 15); and I'd like to see how much this has improved in 16.
 
darkline said:
I think the bottom one is Red.

My reasoning is the way it seems to render sharp lines between the dark and bright colour squares. This is something Ive seen on previous colour charts posted.

but it is closer than I thought it would be.

Personlly I'd love to see this test on a high detailed forest scene, because this is where I think the difference would have been seen much clearer between DSLR and Red (on build 15); and I'd like to see how much this has improved in 16.
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Then you would be testing compression and not resolution or color...

If you were going to do that test, you would certainly need to do it with Build 16.

Jim
 
I think all of you had better take another look...

Jim
 
Here's a good reference chart of relative physical sensor sizes that may help put things into perspective for users who aren't familiar with terminology like "APS-H" (the size of the sensor in the EOS-1D Mark III that Jim used).

428px-SensorSizes.png


It is important to note that the 35mm "full frame" size is the full frame size of 35mm still film - NOT motion picture film. RED has been touting the sensor in the RED ONE as a "full frame" camera - which, compared to 35mm motion picture stock (and let's face it, that's what everyone compares this camera to) - is accurate. But since many users will be more familiar with the term as it relates to dSLR photography, it's important to note there is a quite substantial size difference. I only bring this up because Jim is now comparing the RED ONE to a dSLR - and there are, in effect, two different "full frame" sizes at work here. At 24.4mm x 13.7mm, the dimensions of the RED ONE senor are closest to the APS-C sensor size found in Canon's prosumer line of cameras (so a camera like the 12MP XSi would make for a better comparison). Else, the image must be cropped and/or scaled for image size consistency - though I understand Jim's intent of aiming to use the best dSLR possible for purposes of quality comparison.

As far as these two images are concerned, my gut says the top one is from the Canon... I don't have a whole lot of tangible evidence other than I've shot enough RED (<= build 15) and that's what the bottom one feels like. :-) I do think the top one is the superior image, personally, however if it is from the Canon the point is moot as that camera does not do 24fps or record to a wonderful visually lossless codec. That being said, the second image actually feels more "filmic" to me, which is not necessarily a good or bad thing except that since everyone likes to compare the RED ONE to film all day long, I suppose it's a strong suit if you can say you "got that part right."

Clearly RED is an amazing camera for motion picture capture and I can't wait to see where they take this technology with Epic and newer bodies in the future. Medium format is the next frontier!
 
I think red is the bottom one... but OMG this is driving me crazy.


He won't tell!
portraits-alfred-hitchcock.jpg
 
ohh interesting. After that comment I took at look at the blue channel too.

The bottom image still seems to be Red to me. It has that kind of blurry/soft blue channel filter thingy.

But, strangely enough, even though the top image's blue channel seems to be sharper and more defined, it's very speckily in the bright yellow/orange squares.

after seeing the blue channel I still say the bottom one is Red, based on what ive seen before from build 16 test images.

If Im wrong, I wont be unhappy :-)
(but then of course I'll moan about the speckles instead..lol)
 
What the hell is everyone doing up at this hour? I have an excuse... I'm nuts.

Jim
 
Congrats Jim, you just got me starring at 2 frames for the last 15 minutes, believe me.. your not the only one that's nuts.

I would have to say B, by looking at the blue channel where there are some more artifects. But seriously, this is amazing!
 
Everyone better go back again and look again closely...

Jim
 
noise wise:
red is the one above
canon the below

color wise:
red is the one below
canon is the one above
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jim hinted that he had difficulties with focusing... you'd want the chart and the colors on the left. (i think) i mean why focus on a mini canon.. doesnt make sense.

so i guess the one above is red, and the canon one would be below.

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now heres what i give a shit about:
I like the colors of the first one.. not its noise.
I like the noiselessness of the second one.. i hate its color, but color can be fixed, though when i would do so i will get noise.

so.. they are kinda alike.
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Rambler rebel
 
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