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RED Dragon vs. 65mm film...

Pablo Moreno said:
... When is about what the average people's eye like, there is always a "right" no "wrong", ...
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Pablo, I think you are discounting the differences in human nature. It's true that every human brain has a right, but not always is that "right" the same as the person in the seat next to them. Let me give you an example. Your Avatar is very colorful and eye-catching... yet I cannot look at it but for a millisecond because then it becomes garish (to my eyes... no offense intended). But my own Avatar is very pleasing to me while to you it very likely is rather bland. What I'm saying is there is no perfect standard (thank goodness because then some govt. body would try to impose that on everything visual).

I used to take photos of people I encountered, whether behind the counter of a deli to the sacker who loaded my groceries, to the waitress who brought me coffee. I retouched each of their photos before printing them to make the individual look moure aesthetically pleasing. Not one complained that it didn't look like their real self. Many thought I was a great photographer because I made them look better. And that often involved changing their skin tones somewhat.
 
Gunleik Groven said:
It is quite possible.

I found the M sensor to be much better on skintones thanthe MX in R1. When exposed within its limits, of course.

For skintones, I actually find the R1 more allowing than the Epic, but as an overall tool, the Epic rules. These are Epic, BTW.

I hope that there will be "enough" computing headroom to accomodate the Dragon. The talk of new ASICS pretty much point in that direction, though.

I was initially a bit sceptical to add a sensor that "can more" to a hardware that would then be stretchwd.

Seems that won't be the case.
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I just watched this, shot in 2008 with R1, and I agree, is one of the best sensors ever..
 
Perhaps not Dragon or not fora while - but lets keep in mind none of RED advertisement of their cameras being upgradable exclude Scarlet. So it they stay with what advertise, they will need to come up with some upgrade to Scarlet. Note I am not specifying sensor type, just saying some Hrd upgrade to move it closer to current Epic specs? Time will tell :-)
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Would make sense to unlock "Epic MX" features to Scarlet, once the Dragon program is out.
Unsure if that is a viable option, though...
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Not sure what you mean by "unlock," I don't think they are throttling the program. As a matter of fact, Jarred wrote in another thread that they are attempting to work out an upgrade path, but it sounds like it might be too cumbersome to upgrade in a physical sense. They are weighing the costs.

I have a strong feeling RED may offer some type of trade-in path to EPIC.
 
roryhinds said:
Brilliant, I can't wait to upgrade.
Is the 16 stops calculation with HDRx?
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I understood the statement as native DR. HDRx will merely up the ante.
 
Pretty safe to say that Dragon killed HDRx...
 
Jarred Land said:
Pretty safe to say that Dragon killed HDRx...
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NO!!! We still need simultaneous frames with different shutter speeds for all kinds of applications! Sharp stills with smooth motion...sharp frames for motion tracking etc. I have been desperately looking forward to what we will be able to do with Dragon's 3 extra stops and the faster shutter speed on the X frame!
 
Eryc Tramonn said:
Not sure what you mean by "unlock," I don't think they are throttling the program. As a matter of fact, Jarred wrote in another thread that they are attempting to work out an upgrade path, but it sounds like it might be too cumbersome to upgrade in a physical sense. They are weighing the costs.

I have a strong feeling RED may offer some type of trade-in path to EPIC.
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I know.

Unlock was a bad word.

Cannot help thinking tat when they pull out asics and sensors for the epic to dragon update, something is left for the scarleteers.

THAT is what I meant
 
Jarred Land said:
Pretty safe to say that Dragon killed HDRx...
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What would HDRx do with Dragon? Or how many stops more for DR with Dragon and HDRx together?

Wait Dragon without HDRx can do 18 plus stops of DR?
 
Justin O'Neill said:
NO!!! We still need simultaneous frames with different shutter speeds for all kinds of applications! Sharp stills with smooth motion...sharp frames for motion tracking etc. I have been desperately looking forward to what we will be able to do with Dragon's 3 extra stops and the faster shutter speed on the X frame!
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I thought the same...but didn't go there because I would have to read into his statement too much. "Killed it" could be used in the figurative...as in, "you won't need it given Dragon's DR." Or it could mean, "Not only will you not need HDRx, but there's no room for it."

Too much speculation. I figure they will dole out the information when they can.

But I completely hear you, sir. I would prefer to keep the functionality, if possible.
 
Awesome stuff. With the sensor possibly being bigger, just wondering if lenses will have trouble covering it.

I also bet the upgrade path for Scarlet is the Epic-MX. Sounds like too much needs to happen to the Scarlet for the upgrade.
 
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