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Red Cooke Ad in AC

I'd buy them if they were 20% of the price. But it's not part of a revolution putting this camera into the hands of jackasses like me... then strapping $100000 lenses on the front.
 
Below here is all what you wanted to read about.

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American Cinematographer, March 2008, page 17.
 
Yeah. I heard about this about 2 months ago.

nice glass.

The price has me a little hesitant at the moment.
 
Che Omnius,

you are right.

But with all that set you pay a PRECISION.

Each COOKE lens is measured and marked handmade.

As for a handmade work as we know even

pasta or pizza "la cucina di mamma" cost(s) a lot more.
 
dudeman said:
If only my momma made Cooke Lenses...
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You don't need Cooke lenses.

Take Leica.

"Leica's high-performance lenses are all made,
by hand, at Leica's main factory in Solms near Wetzlar,
Germany. They represent the fruit of many years of experience
in optics and precision mechanics and are produced using unique technologies,
high-quality materials and the commitment and craftsmanship of expert staff.
Only they can deliver true Leica quality to your images."

LINK>>>

Also handmade measured and marked lenses.

Optics even better then Cooke's.

It's coming up something revolutionary from

my KITCHEN very soon.

Stay tuned.
 
Nils J. Nesse said:
Sanjin, are you rehousing Leica lenses in your kitchen?
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I would never rehouse any still lens to cine for my private use.

It's too expensive and you never now is it well done before you have to pay.

Rehousing is not good approach.

The best is to leave still lenses as they are.

Then you can use them also with your DSLR camera.

What should be a key to use them in both environment,

PHOTOGRAPHY and CINEMATOGRAPHY.

And the key thing should be a LENS ADAPTER.

More about that coming soon.
 
Nils J. Nesse said:
Sanjin, are you rehousing Leica lenses in your kitchen?
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That cracked me up! :biggrin:
Imagine Sanjin disassembling his dear Leica lenses on his kitchen table!

Unfortunately there's really no thread about lenses where Sanjin doesn't come up with his Leica love. :whistling:
 
:)
big lebowski said:
That cracked me up!
Imagine Sanjin disassembling his dear Leica lenses on his kitchen table!

Unfortunately there's really no thread about lenses where Sanjin doesn't come up with his Leica love. :whistling:
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Big Lebowski,

my kitchen table just have got cleaned from a pasta I did for tonight's meal :biggrin:.

HERE also my KITCHEN means that my idea moves other people to do something.

Very soon I gonna blow your mind with

use of Leica M and R lenses on RED.

Keep cool,

get in a patient mood,

drink tee or coffee,

It's coming up soon.
 
Steve Sanacore said:
I wonder why Zeiss and Cooke think their cine lenses are worth double or triple that amount.
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Have you ever looked through one? The Cookes are perfection. They show you the absolute closest representation of what your eye sees. No breathing, no flare, no distortion, no color shift.

AND the focus markings line up (literally) within millimeters. When I test a set of Cookes for a shoot, I place a high resolution chart at the minimum focus of the lens. If the witness mark does not line up exactly the lens goes back to the tech. By "exactly", I mean that the engraved witness mark on the lens overlaps completely with the engraved distance marking on the lens, not 'half a line' over or under, but e-x-a-c-t-l-y. You can't expect that precision with stills lenses, or with any other lenses not designed for our very demanding business.

Is this level of perfection and precision required? Who knows, but they sure look great.

When you are on a shoot that is spending $100,000 to 300,000 per day to capture images it is certainly comforting to know that "what you set is what you get". If you are graduating from an HVX200, your needs may vary.
 
The Third Man said:
Che Omnius,

you are right.

But with all that set you pay a PRECISION.

Each COOKE lens is measured and marked handmade.

As for a handmade work as we know even

pasta or pizza "la cucina di mamma" cost(s) a lot more.
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There's absolutely no denying these facts.
Like I said, COOKE is nice glass. . . yet what I should have said is that Cooke makes SUPERB glass.

I would be in RED Heaven (or Hell, depending on your personal definition on 'As Above, So Below') if I had that particular set as part of our inventory. No Doubt.

It's on the wish list :construction:
 
The Third Man said:
I would never rehouse any still lens to cine for my private use.

It's too expensive and you never now is it well done before you have to pay.

Rehousing is not good approach.

The best is to leave still lenses as they are.

Then you can use them also with your DSLR camera.

What should be a key to use them in both environment,

PHOTOGRAPHY and CINEMATOGRAPHY.

And the key thing should be a LENS ADAPTER.

More about that coming soon.
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Sanjin, do you have a mount for Leica? Can't wait to see the footage, please share.
 
Thank you Crewpix. You beat me to it.
There are many threads on this forum discussing why cine lenses are better for cine production. Does every job require a $240,000 set of Master Primes? No. But the gold standard is set by these lenses (MPs, S4s, Primos) and the difference WILL show up at the local cineplex. Especially at 4K.
Then again, a few years ago, people were doing filmouts from VX-1000s and DVX-100s, so I guess on some level anything goes.
Cheers,
Harry
 
JDB said:
In two words.....breathing and Ramping. Cookes do not breathe and the zooms do not ramp. In the still world, this is not required. In motion, these are highly desired traits.
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Yes the zooms are a different story for sure. Was talking mainly about primes, but it will be interesting to test them and see.
 
This is an industry where the law of diminishing returns seems to be well enforced. The best will always be limited in terms of availability and will nearly always be at the far end of the price spectrum. No surprises here at all.
 
Personally I have mixed feeling about the Cooke S4s. They are without a doubt amazing optics. Mechanically they are second only to the Master Primes, but they do make some interesting trade offs optically for their signature look.
They do in fact flare, quite nicely from T2 to T4 but from there they get a bit strange as the bokeh takes on a deckled star patten. This is gone by T8 but is still a little distracting. The S4s also have the worst chromatic aberration handling off all the modern cine lenses, worse even than my T2.1 Zeiss Standards. They exhibit a strong purple fringe around most hard clip areas. This I chalk up to the warmer more hands off approach to lens coating that also gives S4s one of their most lauded attributes their soft, flattering and yet high resolution rendering. In contrast to Zeiss whose extremely efficient T* coating is often referred to as clinical. Contrary to rumor the S4s are not significantly lower contrast than the Zeiss Ultras although the softer rendering mentioned above sometimes seems to give that impression. By far my favorite optical attribute of the S4s is their focus fall off. They drop off in the most exquisite way leaving an actor well separated from a painterly rendered background. Of course if you can afford a set you know what I mean. In general if I have my choice I'd shoot S4s on a human centric romantic comedy or period piece, anything that benefits from a softer more flattering esthetic.

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Look at the purple and cyan CA on the two opposing struts.
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Beautiful flare at T2.8
S4flare.jpg
 
Omar Saad said:
Sanjin, do you have a mount for Leica? Can't wait to see the footage, please share.
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Soon I will have a revolutionary mount on my RED

that you can attach what ever lens you want or you have.

Talking about manual focus/iris still lenses and cine lenses.

More about it is coming up in a week or two.

Stay tuned.
 
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