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R3D from Peter Lyons Collister

Great to see a real Dragon image. Looks very nice. I just tried to compare them with my Epic shots and I cannot tell super much difference, when mine are exposed well they look pretty perfect and so does this one.

There is a lot of discussion how images should be taken to show how the camera performes. The reality is that the only way of showing how a sensor performs is to do a more careful comparison similar to how sites like http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-70d/15 would compare noise and image quality between cameras or http://www.the-digital-picture.com/
We would need to look at noise, colors and exposure latitude and compare both Epic and Dragon next to each others. This has been done for still images quite successfully for quite some time now.

Still great to see our first red file!
/Andreas
 
Matthew Scott said:
Okay, so now I know I'm wasting my time with this conversation.
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Everything isn't about you, Matthew. I didn't quote you or call you out by name and I didn't have you in mind when I posted this image.

This is a grade, like others have done in this same thread, showing what I think is nice about this particular image. I was actually going to post it before I started our exchange and I ended up mentioning it in one of my responses. I thought it looked cool as well as demonstrated Dragon's highlight abilities.

Even it was directed at you, it doesn't challenge anything you've said and you acknowledged as much about the DR in your first post, so I don't know why you feel like you're wasting your time.

When people ask a question they admit not knowing the answer to, like I did with this pic, it's usually not taken to be confrontational.
 
Matthew Scott said:
Are you really worried that a bad looking image will result in people judging the camera unjustly unless there is specific guidance? That would be their unfortunate loss!
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I'm not worried about it at all. I was only pointing out that a bad looking (aesthetically speaking) image wouldn't be any more helpful than a pleasing one in determining how well the camera performs without saying something like, "Never mind the composition, look at the noise in the shadows."

Or, "I know the background is ugly but look at how beautifully the window blows out." If you just say, "Look at what I shot on my new Dragon." with less than flattering imagery, you unfortunately do leave the camera, any camera, open to scrutiny because people have a hard time separating a camera's shortcomings from a lack of ability or just screwing around. It is their loss but that doesn't make it any less prevalent.



Maybe I found your post misleading because you started talking about the artist, the tools, the relationship between the two and that I should just enjoy the result....kinda of a strange response to my post, but maybe I still don't get it.
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I started out talking about the artist and tools because, given what I thought you were getting at initially, I didn't see how separating the artistry from the art was going to help determine camera performance. Again, I acknowledge that was not your meaning.

I also wasn't implying you should just enjoy the end result without question. My point was we could either enjoy you working out on that old piano of yours or get caught up in how much better it would've sounded if you were playing a Steinway, but we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that piano is exceeding its sonic limits when you're making it talk, because that's ultimately coming from you. Again, said in response to my initial understanding of your original phrasing.



Anyway, I'm sure you understand that during this exciting time of Dragon's release that people like myself and others are a little antsy about what the camera can and can't do, especially when $10K+ means a personal loan and much sacrifice. Not crying poor by any means, just saying that any significant camera purchase I make is backed by some pretty solid research and questions/conversations like this one. I want the best for me, but I also want the best for you and anyone else who reads through these forums.
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Ditto.
 
Hang on a minute!

Developed at 12800 balance in RLF

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Same setings and a silly curve

12800_Curve.jpg



I knew playing with a R3D dragon file would open the temptation door!
I wasn't aspecting such a strong signal thought, even from a well expose frame,
wich can be by the way the goal in cinematography.
Messing up with the 3 dragon chanel is like pooling an unbreakable elastic.
I coudn't stop playing with the tangent today.
Thank you for sharing Peter and Gunleik.


...Now I'm all confuse.
 
I'm not sure where this is all going but the thought I keep having is, all that matters is the quantity of light the sensor receives. So a 12800 ISO print doesn't tell me that much when the negative was exposed perfectly, especially when we are talking noise. Same thing goes for an urban night shot with a 1.4 lens, it doesn't tell me much because that sensor is still receiving a good amount of light. I'd more like to see a dimly lit example, that you DON'T want to look dimly lit, like a real situation where you truly need 2000 ISO. 2000 is supposed to be the new 800 after all.
 
Jeremy Hildebrant said:
I'm not sure where this is all going but the thought I keep having is, all that matters is the quantity of light the sensor receives. So a 12800 ISO print doesn't tell me that much when the negative was exposed perfectly.
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You are right, but did you play at least with the R3D?
To me this R3D well expose sample tell alot about how flexible the dragon files are, even when doing wrong in rcx.
 
Thanks for sharing Gunleik and Peter ... What I noticed from day one was just how amazing eyes and eye-clarity looks on the new sensor. I have always loved the was the M, MX and now Dragon sensor treated skin tones. With this R3D provided by Mr. Collister I noticed subtle things like the rose colored cheeks on the baby.

I am all in on the new camera system, and where it and I will be going should yield some incredible images.

Here is my light pass on the image.

- E
 

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A cold war'ish look.

A cold war'ish look.

Although the tech at work here is staggering I think my favorite part of this picture is the somewhat enigmatic 'Mona Lisa'ish look on the child's face. There is so much subtlety here both in image and subject.
 

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Just WOW. DR and colour rendition is really amazing. I can't wait to put my hands on some Dragon footage in Resolve.
Finally I'm really close to say "film is dead")
Quick and gentle try:
dragon_cc4.jpg
 
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