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Professional amongst a long list of things, is:

To be respectful.
To Excel at what you do.
To be on time.
To Deliver what you promised, and Deliver on time.
To Deliver at the Quality you promised.
To let the quality of your work speak for it self.
To have the Highest Quality tools the Industry has to offer to work with.
To Ged Paid for the Work you do.

So in line of RED, most of the above also applies when building a "PROFESSIONAL" gear.
 
I rather like "those that dream higher" --

Ever day that I'm forced to pull out a lesser camera and shoot a paying job based on budgetary constraints, I'm forced to make a professional compromise, but it doesn't make it any less professional because part of being a professional is producing the best images you can within the given time and budget.

But the whole time I'm shooting that lesser camera, I'm usually wishing that I was shooting my RED ONE instead. Actually, not even, I'm wishing I was shooting an EPIC/SCARLET, because the form factor and ease-of-setup should effectively eliminate the need for these lesser cameras, in many, many instances.

All I really "need" is a RED ONE with a more efficient form factor. But I dream about HDRx and Magic Motion.
 
Professional to me is
tha professional people are using the gear for main cameras.
 
Elsie N said:
I have to disagree with this "getting paid means I'm a professional" mentality.

Was Van Gogh a professional? My understanding is he never sold many, if any of his paintings. He lived at the pleasure of his relatives and friends who supplied him with the means to do so in order that he could follow his profession. I'm sure there are many other examples but this one stands out in my mind.
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:prrr::prrr:

I disagree with your disagreement!

Two me there are two things being described in this thread:

What is a professional?
and
What is an artist?

To a large extent they are interchangeable. But "to me" a professional works in some sort of commercial fashion (i.e. money is exchanged for services). An artist works for whatever motivation serves them. It could be money, but does not have to be.

Can an artist be a professional? Sure! Other way around? Of course.

All this is a long way of saying...

Buzz off Elsie.

:smilielol5:

(Just playing...)

Jay
 
Professional... Hmmm,
Consumer = Drop it, it breaks.
Milltary = Drop it from A C130 doing 100Kts at 6 feet and 'should' still work
Professional = the same as miltary but with out the airplane.

Joking a side professional to me is robust and dependable means of fulfilling the requirements derived from from a cost model. Specification is what falls of of some form commercial requirements analyst. There is the need to meet specification under spec is bad over spec is at best of no value at worst negative because of the effort to get it to what has been required. Like, love the colours, lots of value add there. But if all your output over the period the investment in the camera is written of over is 1080P, 4K or 5K is really not necessary that important a point unless it creates issues, eg to workflow, data management....
If you are getting added value from working at 4K but stated requirements say all that needed is 1080P, the requirements being worked to might need redefining.


For me, 'professional quality must meet the requirements of the professional' is true but not the same as 'professional quality must meet only the requirements of the professional'. There is value in functionally can be added which can be reasonably added that increase usability, flexibility and accessibility not just in a commercial environment.
That's not only good. in an holistic sense but means more people can afford to operate these tools and so have the opportunity to develop there skills to a professional level, and of course that means there will be more Reds in the wild.
 
So here is an exact definition so everyone can have a reference point.

professional |prəˈfe sh ənl|
adjective
1 [ attrib. ] of, relating to, or connected with a profession : young professional people | the professional schools of Yale and Harvard.
2 (of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime : a professional boxer.
• having or showing the skill appropriate to a professional person; competent or skillful : their music is both memorable and professional.
• worthy of or appropriate to a professional person : his professional expertise.
• informal derogatory denoting a person who persistently makes a feature of a particular activity or attribute : a professional naysayer.
noun
a person engaged or qualified in a profession : professionals such as lawyers and surveyors.
• a person engaged in a specified activity, esp. a sport or branch of the performing arts, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
• a person competent or skilled in a particular activity : she was a real professional on stage.
DERIVATIVES
professionally |- sh ənl-ē| adverb



So professional also means

"professional service towards those who practice a profession"

That means that there is engagement "between" professionals.

So from a working professional customer perspective that means RED acts professionally toward me (the customer) because you are "proffessionals" providing a professional product,
delivered with professional service to professionals.

When all of those points are met, we can call all ourselves professionals.

When I do that for my clients and colleagues and when you do all of that for me (the customer) then we are pros.

When any of these criterial fail, it allows the customer to call into question your professionalism, just as if I am on a job and do not meet any of those griterial, my professionalism can be called into question.

As professionals in the film industry, whether we provide products, products and service or both we all are held to this standard if we claim to be professionals.

David

As to being paid or not.....
How do my skills change if I choose to be paid or not on a job? One's own claim to be professional and the ability to continually and consistantly prove that you work as a professional is what makes it professional. If I do a non paying gig, I still bring ME (mr. professional) along. But I agree that money is often an acknowledgement or barometer toward determining and judging whether someone is a professional.
 
I'd like to add to the dichotomy between "Professional" and "Artist." I think there's also a distinction between "Commercial" and "Professional."

Who hasn't been paid for work that the customer liked, but which you were not proud to display as your own (except possibly when looking for similar paid work)? That's the extreme of commercial, extreme opposite of "artist" but within many definitions of "professional."

So without going back and re-drawing controversial lines according to the new "trichotomy" I'd just say all three factors are at play in the real world.

I also like "those that dream higher," though that could also apply to artists.

I think what distinguishes professionals from others is a respect for fellow practitioners, the craft itself, and its history.

P.S. Never mistake humility for weakness, especially when expressed by someone from a culture in which humility is not just a virtue, but a way of life. Honest reflection will always show us we could have done better.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
:prrr::prrr:

I disagree with your disagreement!

Two me there are two things being described in this thread:

What is a professional?
and
What is an artist?

To a large extent they are interchangeable. But "to me" a professional works in some sort of commercial fashion (i.e. money is exchanged for services). An artist works for whatever motivation serves them. It could be money, but does not have to be.

Can an artist be a professional? Sure! Other way around? Of course.

All this is a long way of saying...

Buzz off Elsie.

:smilielol5:

(Just playing...)

Jay
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:toetap05:BUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....
:leaving:
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A professional strives to surpass excellence in every aspect of his craft.

A professional tool does the same thing - it goes beyond what is considered "good enough".
 
Quality standards that give me the potential to compete with the best.

Ruggedness and Durability for everyday use in tough environments, not just weekends birthdays and soccer games.

Phil
 
I'm a professional.

I've educated myself to a high level of expertise in the artistic, technical, and business aspects of my craft and I continue to do so.

I do really good work, I do it on budget, on time, and without drama. My clients have confidence in me and enjoy a collaborative relationship.

I treat my crew with courtesy and respect, pay them fair compensation, and protect their safety and welfare.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
In a professional digital cinema camera? - Priority on functionality, compatibility and ruggedness over appearance and cost. Good designs will define their own aesthetics and not have to reach for anything.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
A professional camera is one that can seamlessly slip into the existing structure of techniques and tools in the industry. The camera should not have its own way of doing things, assistants should be able to pick it up and go.

A highly reliable, easily adjustable lens mount and flange.

Rock solid recording with no post hangs or codec errors.

All weather and all temperature operation.

RAW

While dynamic range and color bit depth are important, what makes or breaks cameras is how they work on set. 4K or 5K or 28K won't impress anybody if the camera keeps shutting off because it's too hot or freezes on POST after a stunt take. The Red One, really, has been great, with just a few missteps along the way. As long as the Epic has high quality components (especially the electrical distribution) and is built to last, it will be a very successful camera.
 
Disclaimer: Professionals sometimes use "non-professional" gear, cameras, lighting, etc., and make wonderful images with it. That does not make it professional.

Professional gear:
1. Is capable of doing the job intended.
2. Is of sufficient build quality and robustness to last it's intended and expected life when used by professionals.
3. Provides the controls necessary to work effectively and efficiently.
4. Meets industry standards so that it can be operated by professional crews without additional training.
5. Works, for all practical purposes, 100% of the time within the claimed parameters of environmental conditions.
6. Is backed by reliable service and support.

I think that covers most of it; usually you know it when you see it.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
 
To answer the question as broadly as possible.


Professional:
-consistently of higher capability, such that the work product is notable and special.
 
A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised educational training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional

Did I go to a specific school to learn what do? Yes. So I guess I'm a professional.

Do I feel like a professional when I shoot with my red? Yes.

Do I feel like a professional when I shoot with my 5d2? no.... Why? Because it's a compromise.... Like filling the nail holes in the wall with toothpaste instead of drywall mud.


What we do is unique... We combine technical knowhow and adaptability with artistic expression using tools that we ourselves cannot make. Which makes us different than craftsman, dancers, painters etc.

Even though I've been making my living as a photographer/filmmaker for over 20 years, I actually consider myself more of an artist that a professional... Even though 70% of the work I'm hired to do is not what I would like to be doing. I guess I'm probably more of a whore with a heart of gold for 25% of the work I do since the dollar payoff is far less than the effort calls for. The 5% left is what I do in my own time that truly pleases me.
 
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