Pro Plasma... something or other

[M Most]

RGB trough DVI monitoring for TV work, can i expect a good results in terms of color and gamma accuracy?

No. You need a proper video output card to feed a proper video signal. Preferably HD-SDI, although HDMI would do in a pinch.

 

[Michael P. Schmidt]

we do mostly corporate film work
and we have an 50inch Plasma ("consumer" samsung) via HDMI and that works just fine ... but under cinema and broadcast terms probably that doesn't conform request

by the way ... we have an 19inch panny reference too ... we don't do the grading with the 50inch samsung ;-) its just the client "preview"

 

[Kaku Ito]

If Pioneer didn't pulled out from Plasma market, I would strongly recommend Pioneer over current Panasonic pro line (since the consumer panel is better than prosumer model). Pioneer really spent a lot of effort to perfect the plasma technology, but it didn't pay off. Too bad. I was lucky to grab 50inch at the end and it's coming in soon. If you see any specials for demo models, you should try with the "pro preset" (not sure how it's called in English) that Pioneer tuned to make it look like CRT.

Only thing I worry about Panasonic is the gradation levels. They never publicize the specification.

 

[M Most]

If Pioneer didn't pulled out from Plasma market, I would strongly recommend Pioneer over current Panasonic pro line

The Pioneer Kuro plasma line was actually preferred by at least one chief engineer, but as you know, they have ceased manufacture of those panels.

 

[Harcharan Singh]

Monitor

Monitor

Hi,
I heard that Display port out of Quadro 4800 or Quadro CX is 10 bit and it can be used with HP Dreamcolor which has a display port input for grading for film.
Thks
Harcharan

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

50 inch, assuming you mean 8 or 9 feet, not inches ;-)

Well some may say I meant inches, but I'll never admit it...

Jokes aside, thank you again Most for all of your answers.

I was measuring yesterday and today, and on my own I also ended up thinking that 50" might give us the perfect size for attention to detail and scrutinization of the picture!

I will have to work out a new arrangement for the LCDs though. That is if we do it here which might not be the case.

 

[Barend Onneweer]

I heard that Display port out of Quadro 4800 or Quadro CX is 10 bit and it can be used with HP Dreamcolor which has a display port input for grading for film.

For film grading I'd prefer a projector. The JVC RS20 (=HD-750) seems like a usable 'low-end' choice especially now that the color management system has been improved in the latest firmware upgrade.

 

[Kaku Ito]

I went to see the Sharp LED backlight LCD TVs at Yodobashi Camera and looked quite nice, still LCD though and very expensive. After seeing that I decided to buy 3 several months old Pioneer Kuro Plasma 50 inch at good price.

 

[M Most]

I went to see the Sharp LED backlight LCD TVs at Yodobashi Camera and looked quite nice, still LCD though and very expensive. After seeing that I decided to buy 3 several months old Pioneer Kuro Plasma 50 inch at good price.

Once again, "looking nice" is not the goal. Accuracy is the goal. Just about every decent LCD or plasma screen sold to consumers today "looks nice." But that doesn't mean than any of them are appropriate as a reference monitor for professional use, and it doesn't mean that any of them can be calibrated to accurately reflect the standards that professionals must adhere to.

 

[Kaku Ito]

True, they only look nice.
There are no ways LCD or Plasma panels can look like master monitors.
Even with Sony's LCD master monitor, it comes with function that to evaluate dark areas aside from the total view. So 10-bit panel with over bit processing won't give you the reference level in single mode.

 

[M Most]

Even with Sony's LCD master monitor, it comes with function that to evaluate dark areas aside from the total view. So 10-bit panel with over bit processing won't give you the reference level in single mode.

And yet, with all of that technology, Sony LCD's have been largely rejected by the L.A. post community. And that rejection was not based on price. Believe me, everyone wanted to think that Sony would deliver an LCD unit that was truly a "CRT replacement." But the truth is, they didn't.

 

[Monteiro]

Re HDMI Monitoring

Re HDMI Monitoring

Please clarify, is HDMI also limited to 8 bit or just DVI? I use a Blackmagic Multibridge Pro that claims 422, 10 Bit color resolution on its HDMI output. What am I going to miss seeing if I do color correcting on my indie feature using HDMI to the Panasonic 11 monitor?

Blackmagic recommends using the Multibridge in combination with their HDLink Pro product for 2K pixel-for-pixel monitoring directly on an Apple Cinema display but again through a DVI-D connection and of course on an LCD monitor.

Obviously the ultimate is buying the Dual link SDI adaptor what is the next best option?

 

[Simon Blackledge]

If the 11 series supports 10bit (1.3) over hdmi you could go for a gefen duallink sdi to hdmi converter to the 11 series hdmi port.. 1200 vs 2250 for sdi 2 hdmi then go hdmi into the 11 series.

 

[David Collard]

Check out PANASONIC VIERA G10 SERIES. It is certified to be a very good Rec709 reference monitor in THX mode via an HDMI cable. The cost is difficult to beat and it gives you a great reference.

 

[jake blackstone]

Please clarify, is HDMI also limited to 8 bit or just DVI? I use a Blackmagic Multibridge Pro that claims 422, 10 Bit color resolution on its HDMI output. What am I going to miss seeing if I do color correcting on my indie feature using HDMI to the Panasonic 11 monitor?

Blackmagic recommends using the Multibridge in combination with their HDLink Pro product for 2K pixel-for-pixel monitoring directly on an Apple Cinema display but again through a DVI-D connection and of course on an LCD monitor.

Obviously the ultimate is buying the Dual link SDI adaptor what is the next best option?

HDMI, that adheres to a 1.3a standard (so called deep color) works with 10 bit images. Standard DVI is only 8 bit, unless it's used in dual configuration, which can then be used with do 10 bit. That is how many manufacturers dealt with DVI limitation before 1.3a HDMI standard came into existence. For example Truelight operates this way...

 

[Jean Wallez]

G10 SERIES are THX certified for USA;for France,only V10 SERIES are.
Pros and cons of V10:

Pros
NeoPDP contrast performance and black level are excellent
Extensive connectivity options (Digital Terrestrial, Digital Satellite, Analogue Terrestrial, HDMI...)
THX mode results in absolutely brilliant Greyscale performance...
...and very, very, very good colours, straight out of the box; the image is often good enough to get lost in
Sublime detail thanks to 1:1 1080p input, and lack of "enhancers" to ruin the picture
24p input is handled correctly, judder-free
Video gaming is incredibly responsive
Cons
The lack of calibration controls is silly on a TV of this level (and of this price!): cheap LCDs sometimes have more control
UK version is inferior to continental European versions in this regard - whatever the reason behind it, this is UNFAIR
Gamma is incorrect, and we have no control over it in the UK version (see above)
Standard-def video deinterlacing and scaling are lacking
THX mode has large error in Magenta hue

 

[Barend Onneweer]

The lack of calibration controls is silly on a TV of this level (and of this price!)

Although I don't have personal experience with these models, I'm pretty sure you can get a lot more control in the service menus. Usually this means end of warranty though. Best left to an experienced ISF calibration pro.

 

[M Most]

Cons...
The lack of calibration controls
Gamma is incorrect, and we have no control over it in the UK version (see above) ...
THX mode has large error in Magenta hue

Well, these kind of take it out of the running as a reference monitor, don't you think? This is a bit like considering pizza as a health food. Pros: It smells good and it tastes good. Cons: It has no nutritional value and if eaten regularly will help to raise your bad cholesterol into the stratosphere. So -- maybe not such a good health food.

 

[Kaku Ito]

And yet, with all of that technology, Sony LCD's have been largely rejected by the L.A. post community. And that rejection was not based on price. Believe me, everyone wanted to think that Sony would deliver an LCD unit that was truly a "CRT replacement." But the truth is, they didn't.

Too bad, isn't it? I was hoping 10-bit plus all of the circuitry and the technology would somewhat over come.

I hear Canon cut off more than half of the staff from the SED department, too. We have no hope for awhile.

 

[Kaku Ito]

Well, these kind of take it out of the running as a reference monitor, don't you think? This is a bit like considering pizza as a health food. Pros: It smells good and it tastes good. Cons: It has no nutritional value and if eaten regularly will help to raise your bad cholesterol into the stratosphere. So -- maybe not such a good health food.

That's a good metaphor.