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Price Complaints

zakaree said:
what are you guys talkin about.. red is still 17.5 what went up? im stoked that Jim hooked us up with the allowance deal!
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The original $17,500 price was supposed to include the LCD and I believe a battery. It now includes neither... with the allowance instead. If you bought the LCD and a power pack - even considering the allowance - the "total" price would go up by a few hundred bucks.

That said, the allowance was put in place because not everybody needs the same thing. Many people have significant power systems in place. Others don't want an LCD.

Some people are up in arms because they feel that prices like $2950 for an EVF are too steep. As Gibby postulated, the people who think that a price like that is high are probably from a prosumer background. Those moving over from a film background are still trying to coil up their tongues.
 
Again... the original LCD was a flip-out 3.5" and the battery was a proprietary RED on-camera type like an HVX. They now are professional grade. A 5.6" hi-rez LCD and a V-lock battery (open) system. If these were offered as a $400 upgrade, everyone would have wanted them. Or should have wanted them.

Jim
 
People are upset (the ones that are ... just look at mike's post at hdforindies) because they had expected to get the camera with an lcd and battery ... AND something else for being reservation holders. We were all told we would get special treatment ... and we have to the tune of $2500 ... but most people assumed that MEANT we'd get something beyond the lcd and battery pack. Personally I'm sort of on the fence about it ... but I understand how they feel.
 
Original price - I prefer the change/accessory credit.

Original price - I prefer the change/accessory credit.

Jim: I prefer the option of choice. As a manufacturer of underwater video systems where we supply both LCDs and a variety of batteries for our lights, I know you could have given us a cheaper LCD and a cheaper battery and actually kept a few hundred more dollars in your pocket. Both of them would have worked fine but be kind of half-assed compared to the solutions you ended up giving us.

The added option of choice is what really helps. In my case I will eventually have both the EVF and the LCD but initially I need the LCD more than the EVF. Yet the logical thing for you to do if you had to dictate the package would have been to give everybody the EVF and dump the battery idea. (Not sure why you included one in the first place. I have purchased at least 10 high end broadcast cameras from Panasonic, Sony, and Ikegami over the years - and not one of them came with a battery! )

Your accessory credit solution worked out better for me and I suspect for a lot of people that have different needs. Also, anyone that bought two or more, have the option of getting several of the options without spending anything additional.

Question: It probably has been stated elsewhere - but what is the pixel resolution of the LCD?

Jannard said:
Again... the original LCD was a flip-out 3.5" and the battery was a proprietary RED on-camera type like an HVX. They now are professional grade. A 5.6" hi-rez LCD and a V-lock battery (open) system. If these were offered as a $400 upgrade, everyone would have wanted them. Or should have wanted them.

Jim
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Frankly I think the prices are fantastic. They reflect the economic circumstances
of the professional world whose budgets are becoming astonishingly low - yet more money seems to go to programme lawyers than ever before.

The rebate for people who made a deposit is a great deal and reflects well on the company for supporting the people that put their hard earned cash in them on what was estentially an act of faith. Well done all invloved.

I was unable to jump in on that deal as I was stuck elsewhere with finance but with the price listing/performance released yesterday I can say that there is nothing, nothing at all to complain about.

This is the right product at the right price...

JohnF
 
Up in arms

Up in arms

P.S. Now that I know the final deal, I would happily buy out a few of the other reservation holders, and I suspect there are quite a few other single reservation holders that wish they would have bought another reservation or two.




Brook Willard said:
Some people are up in arms because they feel that prices like $2950 for an EVF are too steep. .....
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AquaVideoRed206 said:
P.S. Now that I know the final deal, I would happily buy out a few of the other reservation holders, and I suspect there are quite a few other single reservation holders that wish they would have bought another reservation or two.
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I'm thinking the same thing. Although, those reservation #s are non-transferable. Sure, there are ways around this though - like an agreement between you and the other reservation older where they legally agree to let you pay for, receive and own the camera they have reserved all for the consideration of what they've already paid for a reservation and a nominal fee of $5 or so. RED wouldn't ever know until you have to call them for support or something. As far as RED is concerned, the person bought the camera and immediately sold it to another party...
 
Yes, anyone that wants to sell me an extra LCD viewfinder, I'am ready.
I want to order one of 5.6" LCD viewfinders today! How can I do that?
Or when can I do that....it seems like you have interest from other forums as well. Hmmmmm....
 
I know what was posted @ DVinfo by stuart and DVXuser by jarred.
None of those posts include Jims signature signature (wow, that's a pun! -;) about "all specs prelim and can change at anytime" and still I feel...

...incredibly lucky being a rez-holder.

Really.

Have anyone tried buying an SD digibeta deck lately?

I mean... Really!

I have my whole Red package (without support, matteboxes et al) way below the price point of a single digibeta deck.

OK. The pricepoint is a bit stiff compared to a DV deck, but still...

Complaints?

Not me!

Gunleik
 
I've got issues with some of the prices like the $300 cable... is it made of gold? Otherwise, that's gotta be something like a 3000% profit margin.
 
Lowkus said:
I've got issues with some of the prices like the $300 cable... is it made of gold? Otherwise, that's gotta be something like a 3000% profit margin.
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Have you priced Lemo connectors lately? And have you ever built a cable using one? I think I have fairly good eye to hand cordination and I would still rather have someone fabricate one for me!
 
chuck colburn said:
Have you priced Lemo connectors lately? And have you ever built a cable using one? I think I have fairly good eye to hand cordination and I would still rather have someone fabricate one for me!
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Admittedly, I haven't priced LEMO cables lately. But I can buy top grade DVI-DL in 50ft length for $35. Same with HDMI. Double that price if I want mesh-glide / net jackets for pulling through conduit.

Anyway, the only two prices on that whole list I question are those cables, so I'm not complaining, I just think they're curiously high. But then again, most companies have a 5000% mark-up on cables and connectors anyway so It's not like I flinched when I saw the prices. It's still way more reasonable than walking into BestBuy and paying $35 for a 6ft USB2 cable or $229 for a 3ft DVI to HDMI cable? What kind of crack are they smoking? But hey, if consumers pay it...

FWIW, if RED is using the high-grade name-brand LEMO connectors/cables, then the prices aren't out of line at all. That's some nice, although pricey, stuff. I think a $200 and $300 extension cable seemed to catch me off guard when I first read the price list and I was for some reason assuming mini-HDMI B or something to that effect.
 
Of course you realize AV, that the 1700 is for 2 cables and an arm

Includes: 1700 LCD
RED ARM adjustable arm
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 3ft
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 10ft
 
phaz said:
Of course you realize AV, that the 1700 is for 2 cables and an arm

Includes: 1700 LCD
RED ARM adjustable arm
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 3ft
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 10ft
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Yeah, I was referring to the $200 and $300 individual price for individual 3ft and 10ft EVF/LCD cables. I know they both come included (along with the arm) when you buy the LCD. But like I said, I'm not complaining. The prices just caught me off guard at first, before I realized we were talking Hirose and LEMO connectors.

Quite honestly, the accessories far exceeded my epectations. For example, I was expecting a mid-grade EVF for about $1200 to $1700. Which would have been nice and even revolutionary in its own right. Look at what Sony and Panasonic charge for their mid-grade, plastic crap... Ouch. Instead we were presented with a <$3K EVF that Jim says is superior to an Accuscene. If Jim says it's better, it's better and at $3K I'm buying one.
 
phaz said:
Of course you realize AV, that the 1700 is for 2 cables and an arm

Includes: 1700 LCD
RED ARM adjustable arm
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 3ft
EVF / LCD Extension Cable 10ft
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Just curious... Is it possible to buy the LCD without the 10ft extension cable?
 
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