Press Release...

[Adrian I]

Where do they say that? Anyway, top mobile does not mean it won't be high pro level does it? We have to just wait for the figures to see how high, which hopefully will be close to weapon.

From Jim's post here: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?159552-HYDROGEN-added-color

To quote the relevant portion:

"It also comes with internal storage and an external micro SD card slot. And a headphone jack. A selfie camera and a back camera. These cameras will not produce cinema quality images. No cell phone does. What we will have is a modular system that adds image quality well beyond any other camera short of our professional cameras. Remember that we have a lot of elbow room on this front. Our Weapon Helium sensor scored 108 on DXOMark.com That beat the Sony A7RII by 10 full points."

Edit: But yes, DXO mobile is still blown away by SLR so I take it as top DXO mobile is the wrong benchmark, they should be aiming for top DXO mobile for the built in and high DXO for the modular.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

From Jim's post here: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?159552-HYDROGEN-added-color

To quote the relevant portion:

"It also comes with internal storage and an external micro SD card slot. And a headphone jack. A selfie camera and a back camera. These cameras will not produce cinema quality images. No cell phone does. What we will have is a modular system that adds image quality well beyond any other camera short of our professional cameras. Remember that we have a lot of elbow room on this front. Our Weapon Helium sensor scored 108 on DXOMark.com That beat the Sony A7RII by 10 full points."

Edit: But yes, DXO mobile is still blown away by SLR so I take it as top DXO mobile is the wrong benchmark, they should be aiming for top DXO mobile for the built in and high DXO for the modular.

There it is, I didn't read that thread much, there was somebody over there acting like they owned it instead of Jim, so time is precious.

These cameras will not produce cinema quality images. No cell phone does. What we will have is a modular system that adds image quality well beyond any other camera short of our professional cameras. Remember that we have a lot of elbow room on this front. Our Weapon Helium sensor scored 108 on DXOMark.com That beat the Sony A7RII by 10 full points.

You can read that different ways. Which professional cameras Epic, Raven. If they adjust Helium for the phone (but I think helium means a certain pixel size and design and performance will be similar) the performance maybe less but he is still indicating above the Sony (how many cameras does DXO score and in video?). But how does this go for the multipoint module. For they use smaller sensors with helium pixel size, 4k is a quarter the size of the weapon sensor, 2k 1/8th. If they folded optic piped to a single sensor, resolution might be lower too. Interesting stuff. Now, a whole bunch of 6k multipoint sebsurs seems unlikely. The larger multipoint unit in the patent, might have it, or 8k. Now that's exciting. There is time for a new sensor technology too by the time the larg unit comes. So, guessing we might even see both multipoint around the same time, with matching processing software solutions.

Now, as far as no phone producing cinema images, friends on how high you set the bar. Seen plenty of older cinema stuff a cheaper camera could do. The new LG is probably good enough, but not multipoint enough. My purchase decision was going to be on the basis of the multipoint system, but it's not here. I really wanted a phone with 4+ cameras in it as standard. Anybody could whack a big chip in a phone with 4 folded piped lens, passed to the standard camera interface, even using the photo mode, producing some fair pictures. Vizzygig did 600mb/s 4kp24 jpeg pictures on an older iPhone (they are beyond 4k now). LG could do something like this. If only they made a pop out module for the sensor. Now, the internal chipset codecs are the limit, producing a non internal version, even using parts of the internal codec in parallel, is what is needed. Now, Nvidia produces a wonderful chipset for this. Anybody could use it to produce such a camera based on a 4/3rds or bigger sensor. There are opportunities produced by the obnoxiousness of companies. I believe in people's right to privacy, but you can't garrantee people's privacy in certain mobile systems today. So, I was considering a bolt on system based on old ideas I had, were you have camera and other tools completely seperate from the phone, but a way to copy specific data to the phone. Such a system establishes a physical firewall able to pass encrypted information to the phone then to another matching setup over the network. Just one step off making a phone itself. I was considering a this after considering the need for a small ultra low powered processor (one of my special areas of research) to sit alongside arm processor arrays to run the phone and low performance demand android apps. One step off of making an alternative chipset to arm. I have had ideas for a completely security segmented phone system. Six there is a lot of things a company like Red could do in the market.

 

[Eric Lange]

Abuse

Abuse

This is what Wayne M just sent me in a PM:



"Eric, you are fake. Everytime you are proven to be untrustworthy. I've tested you and given you multiple opportunities to be a man of your word. You are also well and truly acting paranoidly mental. Which is a bad thing to do to somebody like me. But I can't excuse your actions because I feel freindly towards you anymore. You are a sycophant fan, which taints every bit of praise you have given me, and makes it hard to take seriously.

I can ....... garrantee any of your 3D work is not beyond me mechanism wise, and not as good in the areas I have pursued, it is just one of the areas I spent many years refining each. Your talent has proven to be meager. Any more of your dishonest rubbish, and the rest on them, may God rebuke you. And delete your rubbish, it's clogging up the thread. You are repeatedly told that using zones are what I'm talking about, and none of it is really holographic graphics and should be called differently, but you insist on dishonestly going on about the technology producing the zones instead, like I'm the one mistaken. It is not right.

Sorry, bye. "


This in my book is abuse/crazy.

I have 13 granted patents in key international territories. The technology concerns VR and reality capture and stereoscopic systems. The Japanese patent examiners were so impressed with the invention that they did not cite ANY prior art and actually suggested slightly broader wording of the claims. That is extremely rare. BUT I certainly don't claim to be the best inventor in the universe (like you seem to claim in spite of achieving what? Exactly? ), but I am definitely the best as what we do and hope soon to give others the same capabilities.

But just as a reality check on one of my US patents I have 142 references ... Ok from the likes of

Topcon,
Industrial Light and Magic,
Microsoft Corporation,
Hewlett-Packard,
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency,
Harris Corporation, Holovision LLC,
Oracle America,
PIXAR Animation Studios,
Adobe Systems Incorporated,
Real D,
Sony Corporation,
Apple inc,
Fujifilm,
IBM,
Dream Works Animation LLC,
Canon Kabushiki Kaisha,
Sanyo,
Samsung-Electronics,
Conversion Works inc,
Nintendo Co Ltd.
The Boeing Company,
Leica Geosystems,
Honeywell international,



To name just a few.

I DO bust my arse to bring the tech that we have developed and continue to develop. If you were a real inventor or whatever / "Designer" you would most certainly know that IS part of the process to really bring it.

Jim Jannard in the early days sold new molded handles out of the back of a station wagon and named Oakley after his dog. undoubtedly he busted his arse to go from BMX handles to one the largest brands in the world and mastered serious coating technology and mould work as well as ground breaking designs. (So in your book Jim is a talentless hack because he applies himself?/busted his arse to get where he is today).

Jim Jannard, Jarred Land, and Graham Natress and many others busted their arses to bring about RED and still continue to do so and successfully compete against the likes of Arri and SONY.

Jim and Team RED are as we speak busting their arses to bring HYDROGEN and related ecosystem.


Wayne writes "I can ....... guarantee any of your 3D work is not beyond me mechanism wise, and not as good in the areas I have pursued, it is just one of the areas I spent many years refining each. Your talent has proven to be meager. "

That is really disordered and pathological (reminiscent of serious cluster-B personality disorder, like malignant Narcissism or Borderline personality disorder). Especially coming from someone that has no patents to their name, does not physically design anything as its all in your head, and never executes on paper or in CAD or in physical form and derides anyone that makes any kind of effort or risk as lacking "Talent". And yet has never brought anything to market or has single product or system that he can point to?

Wayne I have been trying for quite some time to bring you to the REAL WORLD and try to be kind in the process, but alas I have failed in that attempt and I have had enough! You have crossed a line and don't respect any normal social boundaries at all... You need to understand you are very bad for business and you can expect at some point someone to push back on that.

You are messing with/f*cking with the livelihoods of me, my family my employees and the families of those that work for me and the families of my development partners and those that depend on them. So if you choose to twist and reframe and de-value HYDROGEN, LEIA and other relevant RED products and other systems yet to be rolled out you can expect significant push back on that.

I am tired of dealing with narcissistic, manipulative and delusional people... In general (@Wayne don't take that personally).

But I will also draw attention to manifest "Projection" where Wayne writes: " And delete your rubbish, it's clogging up the thread" @WAYNE you have crapped on and clogged up more threads than anyone could possibly shake a stick at. SERIOUSLY.

And now Wayne invokes a Devine being to do his bidding Wayne writes: " may God rebuke you".


@Wayne get you own forum and folks can shoot the breeze with you there ! OK.


As to the notion of professional cameras... As someone who literally grew up in the film industry none of the kind of BS you truck out here would be tolerated for 5 minutes; no way no how, not in any universe real or imaginary.


There needs to be a different format entirely. One that supports shorter posts in more detailed and focused threads like a separate HYDROGEN or LEIA related sub forum or forum to itself.

@RED MODERATOR consider this formal complaint against Wayne Morellini.
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@Wayne Jim Jannard IS one of my business "Heroes" and the team at LEIA are also very taken by Jim and have also been VERY inspired by his approach and vision and I also have been VERY inspired and GRATEFUL for the risks they are taking that will enable a relatively massive and new technological eco system to flourish. But all of that is not without risk... Something that you Wayne seem to have no grasp of or the realities of the interface between business and new technology.

 

[Anthony Berenato Jr]

[/B]I am tired of dealing with narcissistic, manipulative and delusional people... In general (@Wayne don't take that personally).

@RED MODERATOR consider this formal complaint against Wayne Morellini.

But I will also draw attention to manifest "Projection" where Wayne writes: " And delete your rubbish, it's clogging up the thread" @WAYNE you have crapped on and clogged up more threads than anyone could possibly shake a stick at. SERIOUSLY.

I've been pretty vocal across multiple forum posts about how a certain contributor consistently ruins my experience enjoying the conversation / community. I feel like a broken record, but every major announcement becomes riddled with ego and certain posts that often detract and put down a lot of actual RED users. It's just not fun anymore. I'm not excited.

If you need another for a formal complaint, I have no problem seconding my own name. I'm trying to shake my stick. Someone's got to enforce a bit before the quality of this entire forum shifts downward.

 

[Eric Lange]

I've been pretty vocal across multiple forum posts about how a certain contributor consistently ruins my experience enjoying the conversation / community. I feel like a broken record, but every major announcement becomes riddled with ego and certain posts that often detract and put down a lot of actual RED users. It's just not fun anymore. I'm not excited.

If you need another for a formal complaint, I have no problem seconding my own name. I'm trying to shake my stick. Someone's got to enforce a bit before the quality of this entire forum shifts downward.

+1

Thank you I feel the same.

There used to be some VERY cool people that used to hang out here and there were some amazing and insightful and ground breaking useful discussions from folks from all over the world, and a lot of those folks now choose to spend their time else where for the reasons you cite.

Would be excellent to bring some of that back.

I decided to "Check out" for a number of years for the same reason (but would always read the forum) but unexpectedly HYDROGEN and LEIA are super relevant to what we have been working on for almost many years now.


I really agree with what you say "Someone's got to enforce a bit before the quality of this entire forum shifts downward"...



I'm not entirely un-self aware and trying to devise ways to not make posts so hideously long etc. especially as many people access this kind of content on a mobile phone or device... [I'm trying to make major change to my own "Netiquette" (if they even still say that). Sometimes discussion is required so a more complex forum structure/set of threads are required. Having stuff be totally driven off the cliff is not tolerable anymore (at least not for me).

I Know from personal experience that in industry it is not uncommon for rivals and competitors to try and do their damndest to smother things in the nest before they have time to really take flight.


Things have slipped,and boundaries have to be set and notional standards of some sort need to be adhered to. It does not mean that we don't have a sense of humor either, but this has gone too far "un-checked". That's what I feel.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Eric, I should have complained about your behaviour days ago, but didn't and stuck it out in reason. There has been many others that I stuck it out with too. But this time I have complained. You may well see things differently in a month's time, but I am not going accept it
Be a genius on your own time.

 

[Martin Weiss]

I don't have time to clean this up right now, but please turn down the drama by 80 percent and act like professionals here.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

+1. I give up. That will teach me for not using the report button. I've been trying to turn this down for days, I don't want these people harrassing me anymore. Take the olive leaf, and give up.

Anthony is also a regular harraser, which I've just complained about, twice by now, I think. The forums have enough low quality without me. There has been a bunch of 6 or so negative "buzz" kills out of the entire board, allways busting in. But being complained about out of self seeking desire for gratification, is a new challenge. One could complain about a lot of people, but one doesn't, one acts humbly and accepts others and reasons. Time others learn't this. One even accepts the difficult people on board. But no sense of community when one as a new person, only thinks of ones desire for entertaining buzz rather than than reasoned responsibility. I miss Elsie, descent man. But when descent men, or women, dissapear what's left. A voice in a wilderness.

 

[Adrian I]

I'm a gamer and run a reasonable sized group as well as writing for one of the top 15 most commented sites on the web (tech/gamer site) in my spare time. It's nice to know that drama isn't limited to gamers!

Back on topic, do we expect more Hydrogen info to be released after the Apple event tomorrow?

 

[Eric Lange]

I'm a gamer and run a reasonable sized group as well as writing for one of the top 15 most commented sites on the web (tech/gamer site) in my spare time. It's nice to know that drama isn't limited to gamers!

Back on topic, do we expect more Hydrogen info to be released after the Apple event tomorrow?

RE: Your groups and top 15 most commented sites on the web... That's super awesome. Definitely will check it out.

Gaming IS super important.


Apple event, Oooooooh, I have no idea whatso-ever ? It's probably going to be like Tsunami lol. (Too much).

Just as an aside if you go to the LEIA site there are hints that they may add other OS(s) to their capabilities beyond Android. I'm wondering too... (cough cough). looking forward to being "Illuminated".

I.e. LEIA tech is not necessarily limited to Android? (if that makes sense)?


Kind Regards,

Eric

 

[Eric Lange]

I'm a gamer and run a reasonable sized group as well as writing for one of the top 15 most commented sites on the web (tech/gamer site) in my spare time. It's nice to know that drama isn't limited to gamers!

Back on topic, do we expect more Hydrogen info to be released after the Apple event tomorrow?

@ Adrian I, Are you covering the event?

Cheers,

 

[Adrian I]

@Eric Lange

I love gaming! The community can be... testy at times XD

But yeah, it's kind of ridiculous how big the industry has gotten. Apple event is for new iphones as per usual. The site i write for is a tech site that (among other things) leaks stuff, so we've already leaked quite a bit about the upcoming iphones wccftech.com if you're interested. I won't be covering the event. I run the finance section (tech finance) and do some occasional articles on gaming as the urge takes me.

I'm not surprised if LEIA is OS agnostic, it's a physical technology at the end of the day, so just needs the right APIs etc for any given OS to be able to take advantage of it. That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!

 

[Eric Lange]

@Eric Lange

I love gaming! The community can be... testy at times XD

But yeah, it's kind of ridiculous how big the industry has gotten. Apple event is for new iphones as per usual. The site i write for is a tech site that (among other things) leaks stuff, so we've already leaked quite a bit about the upcoming iphones wccftech.com if you're interested. I won't be covering the event. I run the finance section (tech finance) and do some occasional articles on gaming as the urge takes me.

I'm not surprised if LEIA is OS agnostic, it's a physical technology at the end of the day, so just needs the right APIs etc for any given OS to be able to take advantage of it. That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!

WCCFTECH (Website) WOW! Phenomenal resource... You guys definitely have your finger on the pulse of what's going on... I guess that makes me an instant addict.

So on "leaks stuff " front does not look too "Bitchy" or threatening at all. Some of these "Leaker Sites" have a rather "Caty" weird or sly vibe about them (not all i's sure).

Exactly right about LEIA OS agnostic capability.

That much said, I'm quite anti apple so not too worried about whether it comes to ios or not and ultimately nobody owns windows phones XD

LOL... ;-) It's hard for us/our group to take absolute sides in some cases. Was super relived about the LEIA + RED HYDROGEN announcement. I'm still in shock... as I would never in a million years have predicted HYDROGEN (at some point I will have a "Hat Eating" ceremony, but hopefully with Champagne (as the news is beyond imagining in a good way). [It's funny how much the industry has changed over the past 20 years. We transitioned from SGI/IRIX/UNIX to PC based systems via Integraph/3d Labs and then NVIDIA + high band width hunky PCS. Apple never really has a product offering we could s-3d / stereo render on or push around huge amounts of texture and polygons etc. (at least not for more than five minutes). At that time Microsoft was "Evil-Corp" and Apple was all fluffy bunny rabbits and social justice... Now that seems to have been wildly turned on its head lol. And yet I still wonder if 3d/s-3d/holo will become part of Apples DNA?

So I an going to maintain my vague stance at the moment of saying Apple vs. Adroid in the context of LEIA and HYDROGEN type devices is a false dichotomy/nearly or possibly irrelevant? But you (@Adrian) would know better than I would, for sure. (As they say in the U.K. if you sit on the fence you get splinters up your arse lol).

The tech in larger form factors interests me though, but there likely needs to be a significant content ecosystem around it first. We'll see how it goes, for the time being I'm happy with my nice 32" UHD IPS monitor. I'll probably not upgrade until graphics cards are able to drive UHD at frame rates higher than 120Hz or above, so Nvidia Volta or beyond, at which point I'll probably be looking for a 32" UHD 120Hz+ HDR OLED G-sync monitor (if only!). Obviously there is no such monitor today and nothing in the pipe resembling that which I'm aware of either so woe is me!

Our software and the things we have been developing run on two monitors each running frame sequential (s-3d/stereo in window) and we go to larger projection (in terms of VR "authoring"). So I have been wondering at what point we would switch to a single UHD or super long aspect ratio monitor. But there's so much we can do on the HYDROGEN and LEIA soon to be current offerings. Super jazzed .

The whole OLED thing is important, but have not been keeping up on that 100%... My concern originally years ago was the thermal stability of the organic compounds that were being used as being a temporary mitigating factor? I'm guessing they may have solved some of that? and definitely +1 on the fast refresh rate for s-3d applications (at least large screen frame sequential applications). Overall I am super happy that NVIDIA is going gang busters with all that, so it IS feasible.


Thanks so much for flagging the WCCFTECH, I can certainly see why it's in the "Top 15". BTW the finance section looks VERY credible... So being mainly in R&D love to "Dig deep" on all that but also super grateful that there are sites like WCCFTECH as even when you are in the tech industry sometimes you have your nose so close to the grind-stone that rarely do we get enough time to really come up for air and get a very good handle on the landscape.

I really like the "Vibe" of the WCCFTECH (no-affiliation) seems really forward thinking, real and positive and useful, all they way... EXACTLY what folks in tech like to "Get with".

Cheers,

Eric

 

[Adrian I]

@Eric Lange

Thanks! The site is good fun. It's most well known as a prolific leaker of PC hardware, specifically GPU and CPU details. Fanboy wars (specifically AMD vs Intel and AMD vs NVIDIA) rage across our comments section, hence being one of the most commented on sites. Hardware articles typically get over 5000 comments per article! Obviously we missed leaking the Hydrogen! But given the site isn't hugely into imaging technology that's no surprise. RED also seem to do a decent job of keeping things secret. I obviously know of the company but haven't followed it particularly until the Hydrogen announcement.

The LEIA on Android vs iOS question is a trickier one. iOS is obviously quite a closed system and also Apple are not particularly into early adoption, which LEIA would obviously be at this stage. From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move, as ultimately if it proves successful, I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem. Personally I'm not entirely sure what to make of the LEIA stuff, it sounds awesome alright, but the main reason I'm buying a Hydrogen is because I want a better camera in my mobile phone. If the built in camera tops DXO mobile, that's a big win for me. If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.

I'm afraid your last part is where my ignorance will shine through. I'm not sure what you mean by s-3d and on this side of things my technological understanding is going to come up woefully short! But I do have some opinions on ultra-wide or super-ultra-wide aspect ratios, mostly that I don't like them because game support is sketchy. 16:9 works in any game that exists, other aspect ratios, not so much. I still see the need for them though, my background is electronic trading systems and of course for traders, screen real estate is a primary concern, so it gets easier if you can replace 2 banks of 4 monitors each with 4 monitors in total but other than for large scale productivity, I'm not really a fan of anything other than 16:9.

OLED is wonderful to look at but I suspect when you're referring to thermal stability you mean the tendency of OLED to burn in, which it does. Dell tried twice to bring an ultrasharp oled to market and failed miserably the first time (never went on sale) and the second time it went on sale but didn't last long, likely because of the high quality expected from Dell's UltraSharp range. Dead pixels are a no-no and everything must be top of the range. Residual image burn in would frustrate a hell of a lot of people who paid thousands for a monitor so I'm not sure that we'll see OLED reasonably commercialised in monitor tech, at least not anytime soon. Happy to be proven wrong of course.

 

[L. Langer]

I'm just glad you didn't say "Tom's Hardware". :lol:

 

[Eric Lange]

@Eric Lange

[Eric writes [[All excellent and really interesting points I can dig into via other means but I'm going to go ...]]]

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The LEIA on Android vs iOS question is a trickier one. iOS is obviously quite a closed system and also Apple are not particularly into early adoption, which LEIA would obviously be at this stage. From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move, as ultimately if it proves successful, I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem. Personally I'm not entirely sure what to make of the LEIA stuff, it sounds awesome alright, but the main reason I'm buying a Hydrogen is because I want a better camera in my mobile phone. If the built in camera tops DXO mobile, that's a big win for me. If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.

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"From the press announcement where it sounds like RED are taking a stake in LEIA, that's a smart move"... [/B]

personally, I think that's a really massive point here

It's very difficult to go from smaller niche product to something that's very large scale. Typically you need a "Stepping stone" in between. So it's possible (with investment from Jim Jannard) that they can bridge that gap but it also means that (maybe, total guess), that Jannard has substantial control* over who can or cannot license the technology?

"I'm sure Apple will want to get onboard and licence the tech from RED/LEIA, at which point they'd probably build it into iOS and potentially subsidise the development of equivalent apps for their ecosystem". [/B]

This ^^^^ really interests me.

1. It may be that Jannard has the controlling hand deal-wise* with LEIA to essentially block* Apple from being able to run with the DLB/LEIA tech. [At least for a substantial period of time until HYDROGEN is well established* in the market place].

2. I really don't believe that Apple is a 3d company. So much of their history and culture is based around beautiful 2d design, not least of which typographically (from Jobs). Their design rationale is so strong set to in effect eliminate the third dimension... Ever thinner devices (the Z-dimension will eventually disappear all together ;-) ). So personally I don't think Apple will jump on a bandwagon that seriously involves the third dimension until they are the last one's to do so. Almost when it becomes painfully obvious that they should. [I enjoy being spectacularly wrong in some instances, and with today's Apple/I-phone announcement if they say they go DLB/3d then I guess I have to eat yet another hat (I don't think they will, but they may have a few 3d render/face recognition type gizmos, but not a full on 3d display).].

"If modularity also allows for Canon fit lenses at some stage, that's an even bigger win for me and given some of Jim's comments, it sounds like the modular aspects may make the SLR market redundant.".[/B]

Yup. They will have the interchangeable lens mounts. But in any case HYDROGEN may drive a few more nails into the coffin of DSLR's. It's rather odd or unexpected that social media + smart phones killed most of the DSLR market and now HYDROGEN may take a bite out of both markets and create new ones... But strangely that breathes new life into MF (Medium Format, all be it, on a much smaller scale), such as Fujifilm GFX 50s ?

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* Caveat/disclaimer PURE SPECULATION.


I think ultimately basic human laziness and vanity (and the need to look good) will make HYDROGEN a screaming success. ;-) Duck face selfies are soooooo much better in 3d than 2d.

 

[Alan Dang]

I'm just glad you didn't say "Tom's Hardware". :lol:

Every site had its purpose and day...

Getting back on topic, what I think is most exciting about Jim and his team at Red is what it represents in entrepreneurship and community. You have a billionaire who instead of just buying supercars and yachts, had a vision of taking his love of photography to the next step. But while you have those one-off handmade lenses from Leica and Zeiss (http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2012/08/worlds-most-expensive-lens-unsurprisingly-leica), Jim's creations are instead shared with the world with an ethos of smart business and profit yet community with continually evolving platforms.

The success of the cinema line has made it possible for Red to develop a smartphone, likely engineered for Jim's own use but also made to be manufacturable at a profit and shared with the public. Just as people said that Apple would have trouble making a phone given their lack of experience, I have seen similar articles about Red. However, with each release of new information, it gets more and more exciting to see that Hydrogen is developing into something more and more incredible.

 

[Eric Lange]

O.K. we can breath now lol.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

1. It may be that Jannard has the controlling hand deal-wise* with LEIA to essentially block* Apple from being able to run with the DLB/LEIA tech. [At least for a substantial period of time until HYDROGEN is well established* in the market place].

I was hoping for that to be true! And I think that's what Jim meant in the Press release about an "exclusive partnership with Leia".

I think ultimately basic human laziness and vanity (and the need to look good) will make HYDROGEN a screaming success. ;-) Duck face selfies are soooooo much better in 3d than 2d.

Hahahaha, nearly choked on that one!

Now, after Apple's announcement today, I am even more thankful to Jim for what he set off to do with Hydrogen.

Does anyone else feel that the Red-Leia press release has some semblance to the early days of RED when Jim was trying to get a good deal for the LCD for the RED One?