Powering the Red Weapon - Dsmc2 Top Handle with V-Mount ?

[Marco Werner]

Hey Redusers,


is there anyone who already has a weapon setup with v-mounts?

We are not shure if it's possible to attach v-mount batteries onto the red base i/o v-lock expander if we also buy the new dsmc2 top handle.. :nonod:
The other problem: i/o v-lock expander will begin shipping later in march now
I have seen the Element Technica v-mount plate as an option, but that one is also not available at the moment.

Would be nice to hear what you think about v-mount powering solutions!
What is the best way to attach v-mounts at the moment?
Or is it way better to go with redvolt XLs?


Greets,
Marco

 

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We went with the WC Weapon quick plate and our existing IDX adaptor which works a treat as an intermediate solution (it's not cableless still need to use a LEMO but for the $$ a good option). I don't think there's a *huge* wait on the ET solution (although issues with v-mount battery height and the Weapon top handle too I believe - can't confirm as we don't own the ET). Offhollywood has some nice things baking in the oven. Certainly a lot more options going to be around by March or so, if you're not hitting any demanding production scenarios you might get by on some XLs (although keep in mind you'll have to get the XL charger as well as the batteries and that can start to stack up in costs)

 

[Manfred Baulig]

Using the element technica and it works. I also use the dual rigger handles as replacement for a side handle. Everything works flawless except for the 95w/h batteries. Camera switches off after 25 seconds and says, that battery is empty though they are fully charged. Only happens with Beillen batteries.

 

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Using the element technica and it works. I also use the dual rigger handles as replacement for a side handle. Everything works flawless except for the 95w/h batteries. Camera switches off after 25 seconds and says, that battery is empty though they are fully charged. Only happens with Beillen batteries.

Groovy.. that's the sliding top handle (?) Assume the DSMC2 top handle is the same length... I read somewhere folk had trouble, not sure if that's specifically going POGO mounting with DSMC2 top handle, and even then perhaps only a prob if you're not using the Base Expander before the ET v-mount as well..?

 

[Björn Benckert]

We are making a uber cool fix for the handle. Making the CNC model as we speak. Will have a few units out by next week.

 

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We are making a uber cool fix for the handle. Making the CNC model as we speak. Will have a few units out by next week.

Awesome news... I do shudder a little at the seemingly cyclical process of trying to cheaply offload bundled upgrade kit things that turned out not to be nearly as practical as I'd hoped!

 

[Manfred Baulig]

The dsmc2 top handle, for me, is useless. Even with the base expander you cannot mount a v-mount on the camerA. That's why I'm still using the old sliding top handle with a woodc plate. I hope woodenc's top plate will get the new top handle into the right height.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Awesome news... I do shudder a little at the seemingly cyclical process of trying to cheaply offload bundled upgrade kit things that turned out not to be nearly as practical as I'd hoped!

The current top handle is not bad. Simply it´s the camera that is so freaking small.
The Vlock module I guess could be made a bit different. But to me having a short base of the camera is quite important. Having the Vlock flush to the top is not as important.

We will make complement kit to the handle.
1. short handle. Replacement handle tube for the current handle. Just to move the rubber over.
2. What we call the sky bridge..... something more intriguing. Think top plate multiple 1/4 and 3/8 and rosette mounts in all thinkable directions. Possible to mount nato rails, 19mm rods etc.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Any comments before "Stubby Handle " goes to the mill...

4 sides all with 1/4 threded holes. in reds "4 holes" distance between the first and third. Center holes on each side does not only have 1/4 inch threads but also threads and square hole to screw on red or Arri rossettes.
The front bolt thing screws in where the rubber handed is normally seated. the nut around it is to allow for a perfectly levelled fixation. (adjust and tighten kind of thing) that will not come lose.

Basically the idea is that this little box shaped aluminum lump cheese plate will work as a handle when needed but also it allows for what ever you want to mount there. Monitor, Nato rails, rosettes, noga arms. EVF.... we will also mill a 19mm rod holder that screws on like a cross bar that a EVF can nicely spin around / mount on to. ).

So if wanted its possible to have lets say arri rosettes on the short sides and red rosettes on the flat sides or mix and have nato rails or just plain 1/4 holes. And it´s possible to spin and reseat it all in the front part of the start stop / red handle with any side facing up... or not have rosettes and have gator rails in any directions on 3 sides and mount things on that...

Also in the front it has two 3/8 (I think it´s called, the larger, not 1/4 inch holes) as well for stuff that does use such threads.

And the back rosette is clearing the Vlock battery.

Now its baby blue but inodized black when done.


And also I will mill stump handles. that uses the red handle minsus the tube inside the rubber shaft, and it´s shorter to clear the back and underneath the end cup it will also have a 1/4 threaded hole so a noga arm can be placed there...


Will send to the mill tomorrow so toss your crazy handle ideas and we might do that in the last iteration.

[/url]IMG_0053 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr[/IMG]


And one frame without rosette...

[/url]IMG_0055 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr[/IMG]

 

[Jeff Garton]

How about you make that with Arri Standard accessory mount points rather than Rosettes? That would be awesome. I could bring all my useless RED handles out of retirement.

 

[Björn Benckert]

How about you make that with Arri Standard accessory mount points rather than Rosettes? That would be awesome. I could bring all my useless RED handles out of retirement.

I thought those square holes with four screws fitted arri mount points / rosettes... no? show me Will put it on 2 of the five sides just for you.

But part of the trick would be to make something that is low cost milling and then anything fits on there. doing milled in rosettes or such make it less modular.

 

[Kenny Mosher]

Very exciting Björn! Once we receive our Weapon I will be interested in this.

 

[Alex Bros]

Hey Bjorn,

I'm not sure I follow where you're going with that piece, but I'm sure you have some kind of zany plan that'll be awesome.
What I would like to see is some kind of "helmet" that can be bolted on to the front/top of the DSMC2 Top Handle, bolting onto the holes on both sides of the handle and adding mounting points towards the front/sides/top. That way you can use the handle (as a handle), still have the run/stop trigger and have some mounting points that can actually be used.
With previous handles, I liked using the front facing holes or the holes on top. Particularly for the operators monitor so it won't loosen from the "righty tighty lefty loosey" action. (if the monitor arm is leveraging the weight of the arm/monitor towards the left (counter clockwise) of the mounting point, it will keep getting loose all day long)

 

[Björn Benckert]

Hey Bjorn,

I'm not sure I follow where you're going with that piece, but I'm sure you have some kind of zany plan that'll be awesome.
What I would like to see is some kind of "helmet" that can be bolted on to the front/top of the DSMC2 Top Handle, bolting onto the holes on both sides of the handle and adding mounting points towards the front/sides/top. That way you can use the handle (as a handle), still have the run/stop trigger and have some mounting points that can actually be used.
With previous handles, I liked using the front facing holes or the holes on top. Particularly for the operators monitor so it won't loosen from the "righty tighty lefty loosey" action. (if the monitor arm is leveraging the weight of the arm/monitor towards the left (counter clockwise) of the mounting point, it will keep getting loose all day long)

Ok as the original handle has a bit of problems with the Vlock adapter. and not much mounting points and the space front of handle is for monitor This Lump of metal will basically replace the rubber part of the start stop handle. Can be mounted and replaced without tools ad you cog back to rubber when you feel like it. We will also make a little replacement for the metal tube in the rubber handle just to make it shorter as a third option.
As what you can do what is shown on the picture below. This lump replace that bit of the top handle that comes loose and it clears the VLock and it works like a handle with mount points also mount points for rosettes and other handles.... you can have it wide on top or twist 90 deg and have it wide on the side. and tighten with that front ring so it fixated.

so this sky bridge / cheese plate / rosette mount / handle goes in to the thread of the rubber handle. On/off functionality stays just as the front part of the handle.... if you want the lump of metal facing forward you could mount the handle facing forward and then... add a handle on top facing bakwards... but that is possibly more handles then you want

also works really nice to put a 19mm rod mount on the top so you can have top mounted FIZ motors etc. Something like the old red one 19mm bracket has the correct screw hole config.


IMG_3111 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr

 

[Matt Hall]

some good solutions in this thread. Keep em coming

 

[Alex Bros]

Ok I get it, but if you're mounting stuff to it and it has rossettes all over then it's not much of a handle... and if you're mounting rods to it then you can't have the monitor in front either.
I guess what I'm looking for is similar but mounts to the 1/4 20 or 3/8 holes on the sides, and sits in front instead of replacing the handle. This would be for more studio style setups or for anyone who doesn't have one of the new DSMC2 Red Touch monitors.

I'm running the new AB Cine Cube batteries so battery/handle clearance isn't an issue at all, the issue for me is mounting points.

 

[Jon Carr]

I'm finding just mounting the top handle backwards just enough balances the weight of my setup. waiting on the wooden camera top plate for better placement.

 

[Jeff Garton]

I thought those square holes with four screws fitted arri mount points / rosettes... no? show me Will put it on 2 of the five sides just for you.

But part of the trick would be to make something that is low cost milling and then anything fits on there. doing milled in rosettes or such make it less modular.

Here is an example of the Arri accessory layout.

In fact you can just make a connector so the Arri accessory mount can bolt to the remains of the handle after detaching the rubber covered part and you're done. Arri blocks come in a bunch of sizes so you can build a longer or shorter handle and then bridge off them in any direction.

 

[Erick Liu]

Should be fine, if not, get the WC Quick Back

 

[Jeff Garton]

Hey Bjorn. Here is an older swat rail handle (with some other stuff on the front). It seems to have the same threaded interface for the rubber grip part as the new Weapon handle. If I could mount the Arri blocks to it would be amazing. You can still thread in 3/8 accessories if you like (to have them turn when you don't want them to). But once you mount your first Noga arm with an Arri style end. And you or your AC spend an entire day without the F%$* thing rotating loose every 5 minutes, you will never go back. I know this thread is about making the handle shorter, with the blocks you can make it any length -- or shape -- you want. I would buy 3 at least. Not the direction you were going I know. Rosettes are cool. But always seem to be less useful than they should be for various reasons.

Of course, you could also ditch those crazy V-mount headaches and come to the world of Goldmount where EVERYTHING fits, but I digress