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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Post B16 comments here...

Deanan,

I will pull the files when I get into the office tomorrow, and make sure I'm not smoking crack.
 
i can see it right in redalert.

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That's quite a curve!

What happens when you select Debayer detail to off? I assume that Deanan has access to the RAW file?

We will look at this closely...

Jim
 
The image looks exactly the same when I set Debayer detail to Leading Lady.
It is also there under all gamma settings. As far as I can tell it is present on all the files I have shot with a high contrast.

I sent Deanan the R3D file.
 
I can see what you're seeing now but it doesn't look like sharpening to me.
When you take the edge (which has flare blending around the foreground edge from the bright background) and make part of the smooth dark with the curve, you're making a false ring around subject.
 
Maybe thats what's happening. Here is another example. It seems weird that the dark outline travels from one object to another if it was just a highlighted rim of the object.

I'm definitely no artifact expert, so you could be right, it just seemed odd to me.

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Are you guys at Red able to recreate this effect with any footage you have?
 
Maybe I am out of water here, as I don't have a RED (yet), but I did a test on a RAW file from my Canon-30D without any sharpening and when I have applied such a extreme (negative reverse) curve this is what I got (notice the similar effect in the high contrast areas - especially where white meets other colors). Could this be because of the curve? Do You notice anything disturbing when You look at the footage without the curve so heavily deformed? Deforming the curve in such a way could actually cause induced sharpening...:

 
Hi folks,

just relax and enjoy:

This is solarization! You get exactly the same effect with film when flashing it during development. What you are seeing is no artefact from camera or RedAlert, it's just the inversion part of the curve doing this, or to put it more precisely it's the return point.

Nothing you can blame Red for…

Regards,

Uli
 
One more thing:

Having tried such curves on footage from other electronic cameras, it just shows me how clean the signal from Red One is. I've never seen such smooth edges from any other camera but analog film…

Regards,

Uli
 
We had Red info sessions over the last two nights down at Lemac in Melbourne (Australia) and what we saw of Build 16 looks really impressive.

Ted brought along his B16 camera and took us through a bunch of things.

*The RedSPACE and RAW viewing options for monitoring on set. This is a feature that we have been after for a while as monitoring off Rec709 doesn't give you a real representation of when your highlights are actually clipping on the sensor. These are a big improvement and we are very happy to see them arrive... the only tweak to these that we would request would be the ability to send different signals to different outputs. RAW to the camera monitoring outputs (EVF, LCD and or HDSDI for example) and something more like a Rec709 (or any other director friendly LUT) to the director's monitor via HDSDI, or HDMI, at the same time.

*Latitude and sensitivity improvements on the new build is apparent even from just viewing it on the LCD. Can't wait to get out and shoot some tests on it.

*New versions of RedALERT and RedCINE appear to be working with Build16 without any major problems as ye (got RedCINE working after you left Ted)

*Bug - We came up with a slight shutter issue when Ted switched to 360º shutter and couldn't get it out of that setting afterwards but then fixed this problem by reloading the second part of the Build 16 upgrade from a CF card.

*We also watched a reel of beautiful looking Red Filmouts and some other digital reels of footage that Ted brought with him - a lot of audience members who certainly were skeptical of Red up until recently were converted.

That's about all I can think of for now. Will report back more when we upgrade one of our cameras to test this new build more thoroughly. if anyone is interested in looking at photos from the night then check them out at www.lemac.com.au
 
One can get the same effect in non-red images also. Anything that has a transition from one color to another (like a slightly blurry edge) will show the same lines as long as the transition falls in the same range as the dip in the curves.
 
Hello,

My Rode NTG-2 shotgun microphone is working with phantom power. However every time you reboot, the phantom power is reset to off.

Thanks,

ATF
 
First Light Films said:
Phantom power does not work. Preamps still sound pathetic.
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Are you using the Red Cable?
If you use line in and the Red cable, the quality is decent.

Mic in has noise

Phantom Power is not yet enabled.
 
EVF Issues B16

EVF Issues B16

I'm sorry is this was already posted. This Sunday I shot several segments for a new TV show with Build 16. All I can say is thanks for the new camera, you guys are awesome. The new image is phenominal. The camera and Red drives worked perfectly during the entire shoot. When B15 was loaded I was not able to play back shots from the Red Drive without the rig crashing. This issue is now gone with B16, so to me 16 seems more stable than the previous build.

The only thing that was odd was that my EVF did not match the Red LCD or the Panasonic 17" montor that we had on set. The EVF looked excessively magenta. If luminance levels changed within the shot, the EFV would change contrast and brightness levels on its own like an auto iris. Also, the colors are very saturated, and depending on the shot look a bit posterized when the EVF overexposes the scene.

Images that visually looked overexposed in the EVF looked fine on the Red LCD and on the Panny monitor. The raw files are also perfect and do not represent the approximately one-stop overexposure the EFV portrayed.

The resolution of the EVF is astounding but the inaccurate representation of the image is a major distraction and not a confidence builder while shooting.

It would be great to be able to tweak the EVF image as needed, and lock the setting in place.

All this being said, I love this camera. Build 16 is beyond incredible. Much thanks for all of the hard work.

-Dave Dessel
 
Shutter issue

Shutter issue

I've been working through build 16 this afternoon for the first time and am loving the improvements! The image is breathtakingly clean and I love that the lcd banding is gone in all but the most extreme circumstances.

One potential bug is with the shutter settings. With a 23.98 timebase (and view set to REDspace) going past a 180 degree shutter doesn't increase the exposure. The shutter degree in the evf/ lcd turns changes to 360 and turns red but the image doesn't get brighter.

If variable frame rate is enabled then the exposure brightens when the shutter goes to 360. Also interesting is that the exposure changes in increments (as though it is stepping from 180 to 200 to 220 etc) but the readout remains constant at a red 360.

Anyone else having this problem?

Vince
 
Shutter reporting in red text

Shutter reporting in red text

I've been working through build 16 this afternoon for the first time and am loving the improvements! The image is breathtakingly clean and I love that the lcd banding is gone in all but the most extreme circumstances.

One potential bug is with the shutter settings. With a 23.98 timebase (and view set to REDspace) going past a 180 degree shutter doesn't increase the exposure. The shutter degree in the evf/ lcd turns changes to 360 and turns red but the image doesn't get brighter.

If variable frame rate is enabled then the exposure brightens when the shutter goes to 360. Also interesting is that the exposure changes in increments (as though it is stepping from 180 to 200 to 220 etc) but the readout remains constant at a red 360.
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Do you have OPEN GATE selected? When the shutter value is in red text, the camera is telling you that its not able to perform the request that you have made of it.... The reason I ask about OPEN GATE is that it doubles the sensor capture frame rate, so shutter angles above 180 degrees (i.e 1/48th sec at 24 fps) are no longer available, as the sensor is operating at 48 fps in this case....
 
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