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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Post B16 comments here...

Jens Jakob Thorsen said:
Jim, you stated that this is now a production camera with build 16....not true yet.
While I agree that this is noisereduction and imagewise a prodution ready camera(its actually GREAT), there are simply too many build 16 issues for it to achieve that status. 3K mode is totally unusable with any recording media!
How could your testingprogram not have revealed this?
Im flabbergasted.
FYI I recieved my cam today and I am indeed a happy costumer.
I shot 20+ commercials on RED(and 1500+ on 35mm)including the "famous" Nescafé and plan to do the first entirely shot on RED feature in denmark this fall.
Best regards
JJ
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I think you mis-read what I thought I said. The release Build 16 makes this a production camera (which will happen before one needs to make a delivery decision on August 1st). It was in this context that I spoke (wrote) those words.

I'm flabbergasted that you didn't understand what I thought I meant... :-)

Jim
 
Hi folks...just directed/produced a 48 hour short over the weekend that served as a test for our 1781. We beet up on 16 pretty hard over the last 48 hours and 4k 2:1 at 24fps to RED drive was rock solid the whole time. The only hicup I noticed was the 1080p playback stability needs tuning and sorry if this has been mentioned already...I have not been reading the forums much. In 1080p playback we would get a "rocketio playback error"...and a green LCD or image that looked zoomed or cropped and glitchy...QUICK FIX: Switch back to 720 playback.

I have not slept much, time for rest...if you NY folks are around the Sunshine theatre (houston) this thursday then come by at 9 for the show.
Thanks RED team for the continued support. Best
 
Congratts on the project Haskell... glad you made it through it, and thanks for the feedback. I was wondering what happened to you the last couple days :)

Make sure you post the film when you can...
 
Thanks Jarred, it was one hellofa exercise...Clayton Harper (lordnumberzero) DPed and will be sharing images soon.

Jarred can you suggest a proper SD output setting in Final cut pro? We have some heavy stair casing on sharp edges when going to SD and I know I have read about this issue here but it was never a concern of mine as I never thought I would EVER deliver in SD but this is the 48 hour requirement unfortunately! This is my 1st time going from RED to SD delivery and hopefully my last :)
 
I'm not Jarred, but I'll try to chime in:
Are you sure you didn't introduce interlace somewhere in FCP? Sometimes it'll misinterpret footage or sequence settings when downscaling.

If not, I'd give the freeware MPEG Streamclip from Italy a try, it does excellent downscales with it's FIR filter.

Regards,

Uli
 
I would try as nomad suggests.. make sure your export settings are correct. Or.. as I do.. export your movie as 2k, and then use After Effects or equivelent to do the scaling.. AE has in my opinion a much better, faster scaling engine than FCP does.. but I say that without adequate comparison experience to really back that up.
 
FCP has a tendency to assume footage at video sizes and frame rates is interlaced unless you tell it otherwise. Make sure your timeline settings are set to "fields=none", and your clips are interpreted as "fields=none" before you put them in the timeline, or FCP may well de-interlace them. If a clip is already in the timeline, select it, press CMD-9 and set "fields=none".

This may be enough, but as others have said, After effects, Shake etc have much better scaling than FCP, but are obviously much slower.
 
After Effects is good and fast, but MPEG Streamclip is good, free and fast …
 
Media Speed Limitations

Media Speed Limitations

Here's what I found.

Not working in REDCODE 28:
  • CF - 3K - 59.94
  • CF - 4K - 29.97

Not working in REDCODE 36:
  • CF - 3K - 50.00
  • CF - 3K - 59.94
  • CF - 4K - 29.97
  • Drive - 3K - 59.94

I guess thats this is because of the code not being optimized for speed?
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No those are correct, this is unchanged compared to B15 - the issue is the speed of the media.

See page 45 in the Operations Guide
 
3K

3K

3K mode is totally unusable with any recording media! How could your testing program not have revealed this?
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Jens, can you send me a PM about your 3K experiences please ? Something abnormal is going on if that is true.
 
have data rates changed?

have data rates changed?

Hey all!

Been buried in work for about 3 months, haven't been posting.

Tracking all this build 16 stuff and loving it.

Saw the samples of b15 vs b16 and noise in the blue channel, was wondering if anyone has noticed or measured any change in data rates with build 16. To the person who set up that test shot - would you mind please double checking the data rates on those shots?

Anybody else notice/test?

Thank you very much if you manage to find the time.

-mike
 
kosmos3d said:
you need to hold down the undo button when you hit record for pre-record to work.

undo (shift) record turns pre-record on (yellow timecode), hit record again and tc turns red and your speeding.
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Is it possible to trigger pre-record remotely, like in an underwater housing?
Is it possible to assign the SHIFT key to one of the GPIO triggers?
 
sharpening always on in redalert??

sharpening always on in redalert??

I've been playing with some b16 dpx's in after effects and noticed what looks to be a sharpening artifact. This was exported from the newest Redalert at 1k to dpx but the artifact is also present in a 3k dpx image. OLPF was set to none.

Is there a bug in the new Redalert that doesn't allow you to turn of sharpening? These are screengrabs from the 100% view in after effects from the 1k dpx sequence. One is the plain image and the other has the curves adjusted so you can see the outline.

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Btw, build 16 is awesome.

Edit, here is an example right in Redalert. Just adjusted the curves. OLPF off.

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deadmike said:
I've been playing with some b16 dpx's in after effects and noticed what looks to be a sharpening artifact. This was exported from the newest Redalert at 1k to dpx but the artifact is also present in a 3k dpx image. OLPF was set to none.

Is there a bug in the new Redalert that doesn't allow you to turn of sharpening? These are screengrabs from the 100% view in after effects from the 1k dpx sequence. One is the plain image and the other has the curves adjusted so you can see the outline.


Btw, build 16 is awesome.

Edit, here is an example right in Redalert. Just adjusted the curves. OLPF off.
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If OLPF is off, all sharpening is off. There is none in camera. This is pretty weird though... can we get the original r3d file? Maybe Jarred or Deanan can PM you with details on how to do that.

Jim
 
Can you also email us a screen shot of redalert?
 
I Just got done dealing with some footage that has very similar artifacts. It was a green screen shoot, Build15, and it looked like there was some kind of edge enhancement going on. I assumed it was a result of the compression scheme changing rate between the largely un-detailed Green screen and the high detail actor.
 
Mike Prevette said:
I Just got done dealing with some footage that has very similar artifacts. It was a green screen shoot, Build15, and it looked like there was some kind of edge enhancement going on. I assumed it was a result of the compression scheme changing rate between the largely un-detailed Green screen and the high detail actor.
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This is not normal... please contact Deanan to help us figure this out.

Jim
 
Hey Deadmike,
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Are you seeing it in photoshop as well as AE?

MikeP, can you send me more details?

Thanks!
 
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