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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

OK... Film vs. RED

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Of course it's all about the story, but who doesn't wan't to watch a good story over and over again when its freakin beautiful,:biggrin:
 
I was thinking about this last night! Even if we had 4k monitors what would we use to push it? I think the Nvidia 8800 SLI will still only push 2k resolution. Nvidia just released the Quadro PLEX, but it says this

Display Resolution Support

Analog displays up to 2048x1536 @ 85 Hz
Dual-link DVI-I outputs - drive digital displays at resolutions up to 3840 x 2400 @ 24Hz
Native support for Sony 4K SXRD™ large venue projector
SDI Modes (Model lll only)

Transparent Mode – work with any existing application using clone and dualview modes
2 channel fill
8-bit
RGB 4:4:4
YCrCb 4:2:2 or 4:4:4
Extended Mode – integrate into applications using NVIDIA SDI API
4 channel fill or 2 channel fill + 2 channel key
8-, 10-, 12-bit
RGB 4:4:4
YCrCb 4:2:2 or 4:4:4
2x YCrCb 4:2:2 + 4:2:2
YCrCbA 4:2:2:4
RGBA 4:4:4:4 (8-bit only)

I may be missing something, but even if we had 4k monitors right now we would still be in the dark.?.?.

Oh yea sorry to throw a curve ball but 4k Blondes > Sheep sent me on a tangent :)
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
Now THAT's probably the better question. In fact, an even BETTER question would be . . . You have $100 million to make a movie. Which would you choose, RED or 35mm film? With only $10 million, you could easily argue to use the bulk of that money for sets, etc. With $100 million, the stock and processing cost becomes virtually inconsequential.
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I haven't been through the process of trial and error that the film workflow requires before you can become a great film DP (at least, this is what I assume - I see no other way to get one's head around the effects of all the stages of the photochemical process without simply doing it a lot). More accurately I can't afford to.

So, given that, I would shoot RED because of instant feedback on set. But that's my perspective.
 
Okay, since no one wants to play, I'll argue with myself . . .

Me: RED's awesome, dude!
Anti-RED: RED sucks!
Me: Does not!
Anti-RED: Does too!
Me: Uh uh.
Anti-RED: Uh huh.
Me: Uh uh.
Anti-RED: Oh yeah, well what about your highlights burning out after x stops?
Me: Well, RED has more detail in the shadows. Like shooting reversal film.
Anti-RED: Well what about film's larger color gamut?
Me: Uhhhh . . . Graeme said he was gonna fix all that in post.
Anti-RED: RED sucks!
 
Ralph Oshiro said:
Now THAT's probably the better question. In fact, an even BETTER question would be . . . You have $100 million to make a movie. Which would you choose, RED or 35mm film? With only $10 million, you could easily argue to use the bulk of that money for sets, etc. With $100 million, the stock and processing cost becomes virtually inconsequential.
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....and the decision comes down to what look do you like better. with all things being equal, it comes down to a point now where its not a matter of
"its as good as film" but the difference between what look or texture your trying to achieve since not everyones tastes are the same. David Mullen made this point quite well on another thread, its like the difference between
driving a Bmw or mercedes, both are great cars but people have different tastes.

The real fun will come with the head to head.
 
i probably could write 7 books on film/digital.

however, when i (as a twen and buzzed&hyped filmmaker/producer) changed in 2002 to digital, there was -nothing- like red.

my opinion (someone who owned several arri 35 and sony hdcam, zeiss and angenieux lenses (and worked -years for that-) is...

... that red indeed made the promise of digital cinema a reality.

however - most of our industry is slowmoving (as any niche-market with expensive tools), conservative, and, sorry to say so, underinformed. so don´t expect red to change all this within a year.
 
Jim, I'm not sure why, but I'm getting the feeling that this board upgrade & associated delivery shift, isnt just to give us a little more latitiude on the sensor (particularly as you can only squeeze another 0.7 stops out of it before you hit your math limit)
You've got something to suprise us with, haven't you.
 
RED vs Film?

Yes, great point Sean :)

Oil vs Acrylic, what ever it takes to paint the picture right? I suppose we will be able to judge this more accurately when the 1st units roll out...but would I still shoot 8mm film for a desired result, sure. Since many (if not most) theatres still project film, some of those making RED pictures for commercial release may end up printing to film. No? Not to get off topic.

Red vs Film
 
Haskell said:
Since many (if not most) theatres still project film, some of those making RED pictures for commercial release may end up printing to film. No?
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True. However, at least personally, I never plan to print to film. It's damned expensive for one thing. If I ever do get any sort of theatrical distribution, I would hope to project 100% digitally.
 
Bachman said:
Ditto, but youll have to go out to film if you want it shown in town. And you cant do that yourself
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True, but lasering to film costs just as much from a DI or RED... so there's no difference between the formats here.

It's like saying "you have to light RED, so it costs more there" Well no kidding! You have to light film too.
 
With the new 4k projectors coming out and their low (compared to the past) prices it will be a film projector anihilation in the next 2-4 years.

This will make the RED to FILM transfer step a non issue.

One more point for RED...
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
With the new 4k projectors coming out and their low (compared to the past) prices it will be a film projector anihilation in the next 2-4 years.
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If Jim could do the same thing with projectors...that is: release a 4k projector for less than 10% of what anyone else is. Gee, that'd be a bigger revolution than even Red One! I would think you'd see entire chains of cinemas converting wholesale.
 
Bachman said:
down under humour
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down under beaches > german beaches.

ps.s however i am from france, and french polynesia beaches > all.
 
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