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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

OFFHOLLYWOOD OMOD Modules for RED WEAPON

afaik there's no cable less plate from them yet. They will introduce something @ IBC as it seems.

But you can of course use any existing plate that uses the regular DC power plug
 
Is anyone else checking omod.io more often than is healthy? - I've got more anticipation around the accessories than the camera....
 
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this is going to be a skyscraper!

PS: I think there is going to be so many solutions out there that all wait to fire their solution right after the first one is announced...
Remember all recived the SDK at about the same time. Development isn't cheap and it allways take longer than expected. A marketing failure can be fatal.
 
Richard Gazzo said:
Yeah, I'm surprised nobody is bringing it up here
W.C seems to have a nice set of accessories ready for DSMC2. Or is there something i don't know?
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We went with the WC Weapon quickplate and using the IDX v-lock plate we already had.. still requires LEMO power so not cableless like the ET solution which we're still looking at, but it was a cost effective way to get v-lock in a compact setup as we wait to see what eventuates with OMOD and other solutions. There was also a few rumblings around the ET solution passing battery power when we were looking to buy but I understand that's all solved with the latest firmware.

Our initial objective has been to try and use as much from our Dragon setup as possible (and buying what is critical to keep a production-friendly setup). Early days in the DSMC2 ecosystem and expect we'll be seeing a range of compelling RED / 3rd party modules and mount options in the coming months.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Yes. You can get an OMOD with "everything" - or "just audio" or "just FIZ", etc. Lots of options to hit the different price-points and user needs. Working hard to show you guys all the options imminently. The AMBIENT TC module is integrated into the OMOD ENGINE - which does all the color/signal path processing and live-grade integrations - so, if you want the wireless TC you will have to choose an OMOD with the OMOD ENGINE which gives you a shit ton of extra functionality (3 independent SDI outs, 108060i, etc.). But there will be a "compare" embedded spreadsheet on the site when it re-launches so you can figure out which OMOD make the most sense for you.
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Mark, I was wondering about the change that RED now only supports one single module vs. multiple modules with the DSMC system.
Customer wise it always sounded like a great idea. And especially if your needs grow alongside your business.

And as I understand it now, we would now need to go all in with a big module, if we would need say 2 features but not the rest, because modules can't be combined. Correct?

Maybe you could help me understand what your take is on that. Do you see it as a good thing or as a bad thing? Because producing any variation of every module type doesn't seem practical either... ;)

Thanks!
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Mark, I was wondering about the change that RED now only supports one single module vs. multiple modules with the DSMC system.
Customer wise it always sounded like a great idea. And especially if your needs grow alongside your business.

And as I understand it now, we would now need to go all in with a big module, if we would need say 2 features but not the rest, because modules can't be combined. Correct?

Maybe you could help me understand what your take is on that. Do you see it as a good thing or as a bad thing? Because producing any variation of every module type doesn't seem practical either... ;)

Thanks!
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Yes - all DSMC2 modules can only have ONE module connected to the brain - and then you can add a DSMC2 Battery Module on the back if you want. OMOD changes that just slightly by allowing you to put a OMOD TX wireless video transmitter between any OMOD module and any DSMC2 Battery Module.

Basically - you add cost, complexity and size if you route every single signal from the front of the module to the back of the module to "pass down" to another module. Further - there is more going on than you think. There is a lot of communication between the brain and the module - so, it gets very complex and crazy when you "stack" modules. We considered doing it for OMOD - as there was a way we could do it - and then we looked at the cost and time - and we opted for a making a flexible architecture that would allow us to make many variants quickly and easily at the lowest possible cost.

Also, remember - when you stack modules you add weight and size you don't get in a single module. I drive the electronic engineers crazy on OMOD - packing stuff as tight as possible. A "fully loaded" OMOD with all the video processing and lens control is only 50.25mm long (from brain to battery module) - that's less than 2 inches.

I would not stress about your investment - get what you NEED - not what you WANT - like all things RED - there is a healthy after-market so you can sell and step up. Also, OFFHOLLWYOOD will rent all flavors of OMOD and you can roll 50% of the rental rate towards a purchase of that same flavor of module you rent from us.
 
We are sure that it will be awesome but the problem is announcing many times that it's will be realese next week, next days, soon, etc, get people boring.
In facts we are waiting pictures, prices or website since many months. And I'm scare about the waiting time of producing/delivery

It's remember me the black magic announcement...
 
Awesome! Thank you Mark for the thorough explanation. A much appreciated input and insight. This definitely puts it into perspective and lets me understand more of the decision making process in these instances. Which sometimes comes too short and you start wondering why all the smart guys make decisions which seem weird to the layman at first. ;)

Thank you so much!

As to the renting part: that is awesome but will probably be a tad more difficult for us here in Germany. ;)
 
We are sure that it will be awesome but the problem is announcing many times that it's will be realese next week, next days, soon, etc, get people boring.
In facts we are waiting pictures, prices or website since many months. And I'm scare about the waiting time of producing/delivery

It's remember me the black magic announcements...
 
antoine carpentier said:
We are sure that it will be awesome but the problem is announcing many times that it's will be realese next week, next days, soon, etc, get people boring.
In facts we are waiting pictures, prices or website since many months. And I'm scare about the waiting time of producing/delivery

It's remember me the black magic announcements...
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I fully understand as I have been on both sides of this now - waiting ... and keeping people waiting ... both kinda suck. But what we are doing is not easy:)

Other than answering questions - we are not taking orders or giving all the details until I can post some videos. With respect to producing/delivery - that is already very well set up with our partners and we can make them as fast as RED can make cameras. But we need to get everything right first. Sorry folks are getting bored. I'll kick up some excitement soon enough.
 
Mark, slightly off topic, but...

Do you guys have much in the way of support accessories in the works? Top plates, bottom plates etc?

Sure it's not the main priority at the moment, but would love to see some with OH build quality!

thanks :)
 
Fergus Cahill said:
Mark, slightly off topic, but...

Do you guys have much in the way of support accessories in the works? Top plates, bottom plates etc?

Sure it's not the main priority at the moment, but would love to see some with OH build quality!

thanks :)
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Yup. Just started locking that stuff down - will show some stuff early Feb.
 
With all due respect think we can cut Mark and team a lot of slack, obviously working very hard to deliver a great product and trying to gear up a production line from scratch for new products like this is no easy feat. I'd like to think the delays are ensuring the quality control and reliability is there (and no doubt the O/H team keep wanting to cram new goodies in there)

3rd party manufacturers like this have the alternate option of just keeping quiet until they're geared up.. I for one prefer the advanced notice of what's in the pipeline, helps make decisions on what to invest in now vs down the track. It goes without saying, though, its prudent to base any commercial commitments you might have for the foreseeable future based on whatever is avail now.
 
As an OMOD partner, I can say that things are really advanced now- it won't be long :) Mark's easily past the stage where most companies would have taken deposits and pre-orders- holding off was a choice, as he's still trying to squeeze as much potential out of the system as possible! It's all for the right reasons :)
 
Kris Bird said:
As an OMOD partner, I can say that things are really advanced now- it won't be long :) Mark's easily past the stage where most companies would have taken deposits and pre-orders- holding off was a choice, as he's still trying to squeeze as much potential out of the system as possible! It's all for the right reasons :)
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THIS. Thanks Kris :)
 
I realize that recording in camera has it's limitations, but this would be a good time to see exactly what those limitations are on DSMC2. I expect that the XLR OMOD will be the best in camera audio solution, and am looking forward to getting my hands on one.

That being said, many of us are coming up from the BMD or SLR backgrounds, where we used devices like the Beachtek, Zoom, or Juicelink to route audio into our cameras. Shooting on Red is a big jump up in picture quality, so it will be reassuring to know that the audio is a step forward as well. Any chance of getting some samples or perhaps lending a unit to someone qualified for some testing? :)
 
Nathan DuMoulin said:
Mark,

I realize that recording in camera has it's limitations, but this would be a good time to see exactly what those limitations are on DSMC2. I expect that the XLR OMOD will be the best in camera audio solution, and am looking forward to getting my hands on one.

That being said, many of us are coming up from the SLR backgrounds, where we used devices like the Beachtek, Zoom, or Juicelink to route audio into our cameras. Shooting on Red is a big jump up in picture quality, so it will be reassuring to know that the audio is a step forward as well. Any chance of getting some samples or perhaps lending a unit to someone qualified for some testing? :)

Thanks!
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Short answer .... YES. Loaners and test/demo units of OMOD's with the audio board will go out for validation before shipping.

Long answer .... I am still waiting for the rev 1 of the audio boards - due any day now. As soon as I have it talking to the brain correctly - Gotham Sound in NYC is going to validate the quality of the audio signals for me. When they are happy - I'll field test.

I am considering doing an analogue only version without the mechanical push to operate knobs - which is lower cost - and can be fit in smaller OMODs - but I want to see the reaction to our "slightly over the top" audio board first.

My take - and I could be wrong - is folks either care a TON about audio - or they don't care at all.

So, since DSMC2 camera have internal scratch mics - I'm starting the OMOD line with no OMOD audio (only internal scratch mics) - or "full tilt boogie" OMOD audio - now ... if folks bitch about the push to operate and size, etc. and price (bitching about price? could it happen??) ... I can scale back and make a solution in-between internal scratch audio and top of line internal digital/analog with high end pre-amps. But I wanna see how people react to our high end option first.
 
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