October 30th Announcement Feedback

[Tim Whitcomb]

Tattoo cameras have the exact same boards as production. They will always be updated to match production if there are changes. No long term downside. Probably will be the coolest RED cameras ever produced... except for "Frankie", "Boris" and "Natasha".

Jim

and they come with the SAME A-list support as Soderbergh, Jackson and Fincher get... so that makes them MORE valuable than production units imho.

Not to mention the badassss Aluminum housing!

 

[A. Clint Litton]

Blown away by all the recent developments in the Red saga these past few days.

Incredible vision, gentlemen, and incredible follow through.

Though I haven't made a full ROI from my Red just yet, I already know that it was one of the best financial, professional and personal decisions I've made in my lifetime. And while I won't be selected for the Tattoo program (too far down the line, and couldn't quite afford it anyway), I would love to have those personal cell numbers, if only to call and say, "thank you so very much." Your hard work and dedication (to both your camera program, the Red philosophy, and to your believers and customers) is truly a sight to behold in this day and age.

Thank you, Jim. Thank you Red. Thank you.

Best,
Clint Litton

 

[Cail Young]

I wonder how many tracks of audio could be sent into epic via the AES/EBU port?

What field mixers support this format?

AES is two channels per connector in the XLR form factor.

 

[ryan schnizlein]

I wonder how many tracks of audio could be sent into epic via the AES/EBU port?

What field mixers support this format?

the sound devices 552 has two aes output pairs (4 channels) http://www.sounddevices.com/products/552.htm

would be great if the pro io module supported 4 channels.

 

[Billy Gedney]

I wonder how many tracks of audio could be sent into epic via the AES/EBU port?

What field mixers support this format?

Natively, AES/EBU transmits two channels of audio across one XLR connection. I assume, the PRO I/O only has one AES/EBU interface- I could be wrong.

I would like to know if we can use other input methods as well as AES/EBU. Like 4 XLR input and the stereo AES/EBU. Or even two Pro I/Os for the multiple AES/EBUs. I'm an music/audio guy at heart with the attitude of track it all individually and mix it later... Mixing on the seems problematic to me...

Billy

 

[Imran Farouk]

Wasn't there a thing about the aluminum housing back when people were asking about different colours, the reflection? or is it like a dull sort of colour?

Also what happens if those Stage one people want it black like the Stage Two and Three ones would be? (Just assuming that it still gets the same spray job etc. as previously noted)

Also is it still that titanium material?

Just so many questions!!! *sighs* wish I was applicable for Stage One...test the hell outa that cam!

 

[David Battistella]

The whole concept of these DSMC cameras is for their modularity and flexibility to create broad utility across a number of shooting styles, industries, and genres - and a lot of styles and genres simply don't call for a big, heavy, accessory-laden rig, or a big crew either.

Amen. Amen . Amen.

I think that this is a key thing. Big set up, FINE. small set up FINE. Image quality SAME.

David

 

[Todd M.]

the sound devices 552 has two aes output pairs (4 channels) http://www.sounddevices.com/products/552.htm

would be great if the pro io module supported 4 channels.

I'll look for the quote, but I seem to remember Jarred making mention that there were two channels available directly on the brain and more available on the audio module. It was at least four.

EDIT: Sorry, it was Stuart who said this HERE. Four channels on module.

 

[Eric Ulbrich]

So perhaps Jarred or someone from RED can answer this. I noticed that stage 3 includes the basic IO module. What if we want the pro IO module? Could there be a slight price bump option where we pay the difference between the basic and the pro and get the pro instead?

 

[alex lemon]

Brains have internet connectivity built in. Firmware upgrades will be incredibly easy.. no matter what brain you have.

For Traditional upgrades via CF cards, they will be brain specific.

outstanding. very, very nice.

 

[Paul Kalbach]

The render of the I/O Module appears to have 2 Mini-XLR inputs with no output which indicates that it is an analog Base I/O. I haven't seen a render of the Pro I/O, but if there are 2 full size XLR inputs, then that's 4 channels of AES/EBU. I read that Pro I/O also has an output, but Base I/O doesn't have an output (just headphone monitoring). I've heard that the Brains have audio in (haven't seen any details, but I assume it's analog and I sure hope they aren't RCA), but I'm hoping that the Pro I/O has analog input in addition to digital.

I, also, hope that there's an option for Stage 2 customers to pay the additional difference in price for the Pro I/O in place of the Base I/O.

 

[Ian B. Johnson]

Can anyone rattle off the I/O specs of the scarlet brains themselves? I can't seem to track it down anywhere. Want to know if (at this stage) we'd be able to have a RED sight with a secondary HDMI/SDI/Composite monitor without purchasing the I/O module.

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

Please give us at least 4 ch of aes/ebu in. 8 would even be better for sure.

 

[Billy Gedney]

Please give us at least 4 ch of aes/ebu in. 8 would even be better for sure.

Amen...

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

If the motion sensors detect 100gs does it automatically connect to the internet and end your warantee as well along with the red E-lens attached?

 

[David Cherniack]

Personally I would use screw on filters to maintain the light weight and mobility of the setup - that's assuming that the RE lenses will be threaded for screw ons. I think it would be a major mistake by RED not to have screw-on filter threading on the new RE Lenses.

RED has already confirmed their intention of having a 3-filter ND wheel on the fixed lens Scarlet. I'd be a real happy camper if an internal 3-filter wheel was an option on all the DSMC cameras.

Then if someone still wanted to (or needed to) load the camera up with accessories like a matte box, stage filters, FF, etc., they'd obviously have those options.

The whole concept of these DSMC cameras is for their modularity and flexibility to create broad utility across a number of shooting styles, industries, and genres - and a lot of styles and genres simply don't call for a big, heavy, accessory-laden rig, or a big crew either.

As brilliant as the implementation of the whole modular concept appears to be I'm sure it won't fit every need.

I'll be waiting for the end of the month Scarlet details to judge how the gunner config will work for one of my favoured uses - a light run and gun documentary camera that allows me to interact dynamically with a subject in action for an extended period of time. Aside from a servo zoom lens, that's already been speculated about, most of my concerns revolve around weight and size. If I want to add additional audio inputs, aside from a stereo mic - either the one that's in the Red Gunner accessory, or a top mount, plus one or two RF units, it very much looks like I would have to add the IO unit that appears to be sized to include functions I don't necessarily need or want in the field. Possibly I'd also have to add the very large two-side battery module to power the camera, IO unit, camera mounted fill light, and, as opposed to the EFV, an LCD screen (nice for not hiding half your face and turning the other side into a cyclopian cyborg trying to interact with the subject). Between IO and battery modules it looks like the size and weight of the gunner config may double. I hope the end of November details include weights of the modules.

There's also the question of whether the LCD screens can be mounted far enough forward to be in focus for my tired old eyes or whether an articulated arm mount will work with the LCD. And will there be a rear mounted accessory plate for things like an RF receiver?

All these questions were percolating through my brain before Friday's announcement. Waiting another month or two to get answers is not so difficult and hopefully the fixed lens Scarlet will appear before the time frame for my next shoot. If not, that's life in the equipment lane. We always have to go with the most appropriate gear available at the time we need it.

David

 

[Darren Orange]

It could make more business sense for people wanting to keep their RED ONE's to wait for Stage 3 rather than stage 1 or 2. Just for the pure fact you can trade your old RED ONE in and buy a brand new RED ONE with full warranty.

From a long term perspective waiting for stage 3 makes more business sense.

I personally in the short term would not expect to gain any profit from Stage 1 and how much time between stage 2 and 3, if its not long enough better off waiting for stage 3, my thoughts I could be wrong.

(Reworded a post I made earlier that I deleted that people are PMing me about)

 

[Antoine MARTEAU]

Try and remember the generosity of the trade-in program when you start talking (or thinking) that we are punishing people..

Yes! Just incredible...
Glad to be part of the trip!!...

Thank you!!

 

[Steve Gibby]

David,

Yup, I understand those issues. Mobile documantaries have been the very core of my business throughout my career, and with RED One for over two years now. As you know, as weight and bulk go up, mobility decreases. With all my RED One cameras I've continuously used some of the lightest and most mobile setups you'll find anywhere.

I really like the looks of the Gunner/handle/electronic lens setup. For real mobile use, don't forget that the side handle holds a battery. That's how I'd power that setup. For me it would be much preferable to carry several of the small batteries in my backpack, than to add the weight and bulk of the dedicated dual battery unit onto the back of the camera. For audio on that setup we'll just have to wait until the specs are finalized and released. For docs I routinely use a short shotgun for ambient, and a small dual wireless receiver mounted on the camera for interviews, or its mounted on a small side "L" bracket attached under the camera and sticking out on the smart side of the camera.

For fill or interview light in mobile docs I use a Lite Panels Mini Pro (LED with reostat) on a shoe on the top front of the camera body - small, light, capable, and runs on its own AA batteries.

If it will be a lot of shoulder held shooting I'll use the EVF. It it will be a lot of high angle and/or low angle shooting I'll use an LCD - in this case either the 2.8" or 5". As RED has mentioned many times, the EVF and LCD can both be mounted anywhere on the camera you want/need.

Bottom line: I see no problem keeping a fully functional Gunner setup as pictured very light, even when adding a small light, internal battery, wireless mic receiver, screw-on filter (no matte box!), and a short shotgun. Rest assured that's how my mobile hybrid/EFP doc rigs will be setup. Others can setup their cameras however they want/need.

For weight, I expect the setup of brain (6 lbs accocrding to RED), side handle, internal battery, electronic lens (about 2 pounds), Gunner, screw-on filter, LP MIni light, wireless receiver, and short shotgun to have an overall weight of around 14 pounds. My mobile documentary RED One rigs, setup very similar to the above, have averaged around 18 pounds.

All the above said, I'll also use a fixed lens Scarlet for many of my mobile documentaries, which should be even lighter, more streamlined, and the perfect low-profile guerilla documentary camera. I produced/directed/shot an entire nationally televised mobile documentary at Super Bowl XXXIX in Jacksonville (Feb '05) with a tricked out VX2100 (Varizoom Lanc pistol grip, small light, short shotgun, wireless receiver) - by choice because it was for standard definition broadcast, and the small rig gave me the extreme mobility to get shots I could only dream of with a large shoulder held rig. Fixed lens Scarlet will now fit that niche for me

 

[Todd M.]

I put this in an edit so for those that missed it...

...it was Stuart who said this HERE. Four channels on module.