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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Jay A. Kelley said:
Don't do anything to me Jim..... I'm fragile

Jay
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LOL

dalemccready said:
A schedule is useful also to not keep promoting the camera to producers for upcoming projects, getting them excited and then having to let them know that it will be around just after their project wraps.

knowledge of a realistic schedule will only help Red as we are also on the ground promoting the product to ensure out investments pan out.
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I'm pleased I'm not alone and there are others with the same thought than myself. A true real schedule is all what we can request.

I'm sure Jim shall give us as soon as he can. Without more further updates, if possible.

Because (quoting or following Jay) we don't want unsatisfied RED customers at all (including from next 25th June -- what will it happen then, Jay?... A party @yours? :clown2: :sorcerer: :spidy: :construction: ).

I'm keeping to believe the (realistic) scheduling is the most important, no matter if we'll shoot @2007 or only @2008 -- frankly, I wouldn't like to damage your mood here but I would bet on the latter hypothesis.
 
I guess it should be no surprise that this thread is over 100 posts long, but why? If you've been in this business for any length of time there are a few things you should know by now, never start a production without the full budget in the bank, never build someones hopes on maybes, and learn to work with what you've got.

I'm sure that the red team is not sitting idle while they wait for the manufacturing to be worked out, which means a better camera for us in the long run. I'm also sure that Jim knows we're dying for info and will provide it when he has it. So get the cameras you have out and go shoot, and let red build us the best camera they can.

BTW if you think this is unusual try going and buying dolly track right now, it's a 90 day backorder and the aren't redesining anything.
 
Emanuel said:
I'm keeping to believe the (realistic) scheduling is the most important, no matter if we'll shoot @2007 or only @2008 -- frankly, I wouldn't like to damage your mood here but I would bet on the latter hypothesis.
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Hi,

I think the reason Jim has not given a a new schedule is because he really does want to guess. If he says there is a 1 week delay, then it slips to 3 weeks people won't be happy. The longer he takes to answer the question, the more accurate his answer will be.

Stephen
 
Medavoym said:
Guys,

You know what I'm most worried about? I mean I was really taken aback by it.

It was actually Jim saying "the good news is the project is not COMPROMISED, just delayed". Compromised? I didn't think that word was in Jim's vocabulary. Seriously, the simple fact of him even mentioning this possibility struck me. Now I see it was edited out. Good thing.
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Not really...
Jannard said:
I'm not real happy right now... but I understand the reality of product development. The good news is that the project is not compromised, just delayed.
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Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

I think the reason Jim has not given a a new schedule is because he really does want to guess. If he says there is a 1 week delay, then it slips to 3 weeks people won't be happy. The longer he takes to answer the question, the more accurate his answer will be.

Stephen
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Stephen,

I fully agree.

E.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

I think the reason Jim has not given a a new schedule is because he really does want to guess. If he says there is a 1 week delay, then it slips to 3 weeks people won't be happy.
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I do not think it is a question of weeks what it'll hurt the people's interest. I'm afraid we're thinking on months or something like Kinetta.
 
My advice is: relax guys...they've been straight up with us throughout the entire development process, and I don't see that changing. Don't let your imaginations get carried away. Most of you won't even be affected by this engineering delay. It's the early serial numbers like mine that are most affected, and do you hear any of us early serial number holders fretting and quibbling on this thread? I don't sense any problems at all, RED is wise to delay as necessary, the delay will even add more improvements to the camera, and they've been communicative and forthright all through this development process.

Those of you who are having runaway imagination problems need to pause at your keyboards and think about what I said in my paragraph above. We're all anxious to get our hands on RED One, especially those of use who've waited the longest. But I fully trust RED to finish this project up completely and effectively.

Relax...
 
It's good advice Gibby.. But I don't think it's needed right now.. Everyone seems pretty cool.. Me included.

This will be GREAT advice later perhaps.. But even then I expect things to be back on the rails and running full speed ahead.

We're just talking....

Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Make you a bet, get to June 25th with no schedule or answer about one and see if you don't see a WHOLE lot of posts like mine, but not so nice. We have started with the team, but in the end, we want the camera.
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Steve is right! Anxiety is not productive. This reminds me an old discussion:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=35481#post35481

I believe we all would win from a good hype. This forum as well. There's room for an useful and helpful shake.
 
I'm an early res. holder and I'm concerned.
I've been vouching and praising the camera for over a year now, and my clients are asking "Where's that camera you keep talking about?"

Now I don't have a target date to tell them, and they're going back to budgeting for 35mm. I don't completely mind a delay, as long as there's a ballpark approximation of the ship date. I need to tell my clients something.
-CJ Roy
 
I think Jay's concerns are the same as mine. Everyone keeps replying that Red will put out the camera when it's ready and the best it can be, but what i'm worried about is the suppliers not being able to deliver the parts. That stuff is out of Red's hands.
 
I am glad to see this happening.. For Steve and others who tell those concerned to "calm down", please understand that I am SURE no one is upset, or freaking out. They are simply saying, "hey, this is an issue... I have faith, but I am watching this unfold.. Timely information will keep me calm."

This is what any professional would do. Here's an example:

Do you all think Jim got on the phone to his suppliers when they told him they were not ready yet and said "That's cool, I belive in you.. It will be ready when it's ready, and TAKE YOUR TIME!"

:)

Something tells me, that did not happen.

There is nothing bad happening here.. It's just real and honest. We do not need to blindly worship Jim and RED in order to love them. If we did, I think they would lost a lot of respect and trust in us.

A client that tells me I am wonderful and my work is great, then goes off and voices concerns to others behind my back, is the WORST type of person to work with. I cannot trust them to tell me what they don't like.

Jim gets grief from his enemys all the time.. He get's praise from his worshippers. What he needs is feedback, both good and bad, he can trust from people who have both his, AND their own best interests at heart.

In that vein, some of us are simply saying.. We hear you about the delay, and we understand, but we need a schedule A.S.A.P. in order to keep things on our end running smoothly. In a way this is all terribly obvious. But sometimes saying it can give him ammo to use on slow suppliers. You never know, but a little pressure can be a good thing.. Personally I doubt any of this affects him at all.. They are all 1,000 feet into this, and notes like this one don't matter. The only thing I could do as a customer that would really raise a red flag would be for me and a significant number of others to pull our deposits because of the delay and we are 5 million miles away from that nightmare. We're gonna be fine.. I have faith.

Jay
 
CJ,

You're a relatively early res holder who by the original timetable posted would have received your camera sometime in August. There's been no indication that those cameras originally scheduled for August delivery won't meet that timeframe, so why jump to conclusions that yours won't be delivered sometime in August as originally announced? The first of my RED One cameras, #8, was originally posted as delivering in April/May. May isn't even half over yet. RED Team has stated that the first cameras to be delivered would be the most affected by the engineering deadline. I take that to mean the original April/May/June scheduled cameras. They also said that just because the first cameras would be delayed, not to assume that later one's would be. If I were in your shoes, I'd avoid assuming that your originally mentioned August delivery will be late, and not worry about briefing clients until maybe late-June or when you get another timeframe for delivery.

We all have clients and projects. On the original schedule I would have probably had #8 by now - but I'm not sweating it for the reasons I posted previously. IMO you stand a good chance of getting your camera on the same timeline you were originally quoted - sometime in August.
 
Jay,

Notes like this one do matter. And we are trying to get everything done as quickly as possible. But we have been very careful to say that the schedule could change at any minute becuase this is such a difficult trick. Given that, everyone should naturally have a contingency plan for their projects... and hope they don't need them.

Jim
 
Hey Jim,

Well....I am aware some people have planned projects around your release date. While this is something I would not do myself, I am aware they did it. I come from the school of "If it's not in your hands, don't plan to use it".

I have a question for you: Do you believe it's realistic to lock a schedule within the next 5 weeks or so? If this question does not have an answer, then how much time do you need to know when you may be able to have a revised and reliable release schedule?

I am aware that it's also possible you are waiting for certain things to break in order to answer this very question, but I just thought I would ask

Jay

PS: Thanks for not biting my head off and understanding where I am coming from.. I was nervous!
 
This is for having the camera in the best starting position so let's wait a little bit more......:construction:
 
Jays Quote:You have tried so hard to be upfront, that it has bitten you a little.. Quote

Oops i really do owe you an apology Jay, i thought you said bitten off more than they can chew! Really sorry about that:blush:


I would imagine the "we have encountered "a ton of detail issues" would be kinda hard to figure out when they will all be sorted. Like what are the solutions and how do we apply them to each and every one of the details that are issues.

I myself will not press red team or jim on what the supplier delivery problems actually involves. What supply is er,,,causing the delay type of thing?

I guess a lot of poeple just want re-assured the problems are solvable and not too serious.

Mike the beginner
 
Thank you Jim for the feedback and your continued presence here. I find it reassuring to know you're there listening. I also have people asking me: "so when's that camera coming?". Right now I'm pretty relaxed, I say it was never meant to arrive before August, and it may be delayed. I certainly hope not by too much however.

To all my fellow res holders, I'm eagerly awaiting for a new delivery scedule, but I understand two things. The first is that the next schedule better hold, so we don't get disapointed and to not feed the nay sayers with arguments. The second thing is, the camera better live up to expectations right from the get go, too many problems may kill this project.

So, let's breath slowly and steadily and give Jim and team our support, because that's all we can do.

Cheers,
Damien
 
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