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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

new REDCINE-X feedback

Andrae Palmer said:
As stated my main concern is not RT playback... but why can't the playback buffer go beyond five seconds at 1/2 res?
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Because we haven't done that yet. :-)

Jim
 
Harry Clark said:
Jim,
I was asking about this on another thread, but I'll pose the question here too...
I'm looking for a little coaching in regards to the use of the FLUT adjustment. I was surprised at the strong change even a little move on the slider produced, and am just wondering what it's affecting other than the mids. (I understand that it will keep the highs from clipping) Also curious if it should be used as a first "broad stroke", before adjusting the curve etc. One of my favorite first steps is to lower the ISO a bit and work the curves from there. I hardly ever use the exposure and contrast sliders. Should I do my ISO first, the FLUT, then finesse with curves?
Any methodology that you'd care to share?
Cheers,
Harry

ps- in another thread, Mark Pederson asked for a split screen mode for grading. I think this would be great too! Not sure how possible it is to add in this stage of development...
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My recommendation is to leave ISO alone, use the FLUT slider (much more sensitive than ISO), then add your curve and whatever else you want last.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Because we haven't done that yet. :-)

Jim
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I definitely understand you haven't done it yet. That's why I'm on here wondering why. Is it possible/forthcoming?
 
Thanks... I was feeling like the FLUT slider is the first step. I'll give it a whirl...
Cheers,
Harry
 
A subtle but important difference, I need to dig up some footage with more dynamic range in the image.

Flut.jpg


Btw Jim,
Why the new "nice guy" avatar?

IBloom
 
Jannard said:
Someone may still have a use for it... but you will notice that we moved it to the bottom. We hope people will get the idea to move through the options from top to bottom.

Jim
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Haha ok, got it. :smile:

I'm going through old footage right now, trying to regrade it with the new tools, it's pretty amazing what you can achieve with just these tools actually.

Like Sanjin said, I'm really hoping for an XML / EDL / Pull list or whatever import feature that will make it possible to do a simple grade in Redcine...

Oh, and thank you for the Tangent Wave support, great news too...
 
Andrae Palmer said:
As stated my main concern is not RT playback... but why can't the playback buffer go beyond five seconds at 1/2 res?
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Quicktime.

Quicktime is 32bit and forces everything else to 32bit also.
We're in the process of pulling it out so we can move the main app to 64bit and have a much bigger buffer. Once we do that, it'll be almost as large as you have ram.
 
Iso and FLUT are mathematically identical, FLUT just goes in .1 stop increments instead of thirds of a stop.

What i'd like to see is the toggle raw function on a keyboard shortcut like redcine used to have (F key).

Also I'd love to be able to make the Histogram larger

Thanks again Red boys.
 
Deanan said:
Quicktime.

Quicktime is 32bit and forces everything else to 32bit also.
We're in the process of pulling it out so we can move the main app to 64bit and have a much bigger buffer. Once we do that, it'll be almost as large as you have ram.
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Thank you Deanan... the playback buffering has gotten a lot better in the new build.
 
I did have one thought...
Next to each group of adjustments are two buttons, one for "default" and one for "metadata".
Could we add a third for "grade", much like in RedAlert!? Then one could toggle between "metadata" and "grade" for instance, to see how far you have worked the image.
Also, a checkbox that toggles "grade" on and off, like "Preview" in Photoshop, would be nice.
When making small adjustments, and working quickly, I find toggling between corrections helpful.
Cheers,
Harry
 
Nils Ruinet said:
Haha ok, got it. :smile:

I'm going through old footage right now, trying to regrade it with the new tools, it's pretty amazing what you can achieve with just these tools actually.

Like Sanjin said, I'm really hoping for an XML / EDL / Pull list or whatever import feature that will make it possible to do a simple grade in Redcine...

Oh, and thank you for the Tangent Wave support, great news too...
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We're enabling hooks for third parties to provide hooks for EDL/Conform/VFX pull, etc.

That way you'll have more choices as far as products and workflows supported rather than what we might implement.
 
Deanan said:
Quicktime.

Quicktime is 32bit and forces everything else to 32bit also.
We're in the process of pulling it out so we can move the main app to 64bit and have a much bigger buffer. Once we do that, it'll be almost as large as you have ram.
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Yaay! Nuke that evil Quicktime :)

PS - hey Deanan, why didn't you ever tell me that REDCINE-X was coming back when I was sending you all those emails complaining about REDCINE ;) I would have kept a secret. It's my day job - I kept quiet about District 9 for a year and a half before it came out! And you wouldn't believe what I'm staying quiet about right now...

Anyway, lots of thanks - this is AWESOME!

Of course, I can't wait for a OpenCL / CUDA faster-than-realtime version, with OpenFX or After Effects plugin support (for my favorite noise reduction plugins) and/or secondaries... but seriously, thank you :grouphug:

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Andrae Palmer said:
I definitely understand you haven't done it yet. That's why I'm on here wondering why. Is it possible/forthcoming?
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There are a thousand things on our list... we just tick them off one at a time.

Jim
 
Harry Clark said:
I did have one thought...
Next to each group of adjustments are two buttons, one for "default" and one for "metadata".
Could we add a third for "grade", much like in RedAlert!? Then one could toggle between "metadata" and "grade" for instance, to see how far you have worked the image.
Also, a checkbox that toggles "grade" on and off, like "Preview" in Photoshop, would be nice.
When making small adjustments, and working quickly, I find toggling between corrections helpful.
Cheers,
Harry
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Maybe a toggle in the viewer but that could be more confusing?
Almost like a effects bypass button on a mixer :)
 
Bruce Allen said:
Yaay! Nuke that evil Quicktime :)
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Hear, Hear!! What ever it takes to get this baby going faster. I have to spend thousands on storage and don't have the funds for a redrocket currently.
 
With REDCINE-X I do have real time grading effects and playback on second monitor using the following hardware:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro2,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
L2 Cache (per processor): 8 MB
Memory: 32 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MP21.007F.B06
SMC Version (system): 1.15f3

RED Rocket™™:

Type: Video
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2
Vendor ID: 0x1a55
Device ID: 0x0070
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1a55
Subsystem ID: 0x0070
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x8
Link Speed: 2.5 GT/s

RED Rocket™™ HD-SDI outputs A+B

AJA Hi-5 3G HD-SDI inputs A+B>>HDMI output

HP DreamColor monitor with HDMI input

Tangent Wave panel

Medea Avid Video RAID 2TB

ATTO ExpressPCI UL5D:

Name: scsi
Type: SCSI Bus Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@4,4,1

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT:

Name: NVDA,Display-B
Type: display
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x10de
Device ID: 0x0602
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x10de
Subsystem ID: 0x0010
ROM Revision: 3233
Revision ID: 0x00a2
Link Width: x8
Link Speed: 2.5 GT/s

Some parts of this set up are not the latest models (computer, RAID,...) but altogether it works flawless and fast.
 
Deanan,
I think a toggle in the viewer would work pretty well if it toggled between your grade and metadata.
The ultimate would be a history list like in Photoshop... but, sure, a nice toggle button would be fine for now ;)
Cheers,
Harry
 
Deanan said:
We're enabling hooks for third parties to provide hooks for EDL/Conform/VFX pull, etc.

That way you'll have more choices as far as products and workflows supported rather than what we might implement.
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Awesome. That's what I wanted to hear. :smiley:

Well then, Ian, Hans, get to work ! Let's go ! :biggrin5:
 
Harry Clark said:
Deanan,
I think a toggle in the viewer would work pretty well if it toggled between your grade and metadata.
The ultimate would be a history list like in Photoshop... but, sure, a nice toggle button would be fine for now ;)
Cheers,
Harry
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My vote goes to the toggle button too.

Oh and by the way, just wanted to make sure that a Cmd+Z Undo feature is also on the list... I really miss that one.
 
Nils Ruinet said:
My vote goes to the toggle button too.

Oh and by the way, just wanted to make sure that a Cmd+Z Undo feature is also on the list... I really miss that one.
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We have a better idea for undo :)
 
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