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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New pic...

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Great to see new pictures. I know you guys can take pretty pictures of the camera but it would be so much more helpful if you would shoot something fully lit.
Aloha
-A
 
Brook Willard said:
The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.
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Thanks for that input Brook...
 
Gibby said:
Glad to help...

My guess is that the EVF is in beta testing now. BTW, resolution of the EVF is 1280 x 720, and the LCD is 1024 x 600.
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Brook Willard said:
The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.
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More resolution more fun. That's a rule.

EVF first then LCD if you need it. EVF is for DP and external 30" 2K (+3D LUTs) display is for a director, producer, etc... If director is shooting by him/herself HANDHELD then EVF is also enough. That's my opinion for now. ALSO could always be subject to change. IT DEPENDS.
 
I think the LCD connector should be coming out the side or bottom of the unit. The current way the cable is run is a bit of a worry.
 
The Third Man said:
And don't forget that Blackmagic HDLink PRO (web link) can offer 2K monitoring in a field (Apple 30" Cinema Display, etc brands...) that could impress any director to see a native delivery resolution IMMEDIATELY because actually the 2K is a resolution that is maximum for almost 98% productions TO DEAL in post and delivery TODAY (film print or digital projection).
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ThirdMan -

what 2K signal are you going to send into the decklink to monitor on set?

my understanding is that the HDSDI output will be 1080 - (Stuart?) so .... unless I am missing something -

the only signal you could put into the HDLINK in 2K would be .... a 2K QT reference/extraction from the 4K redcode raw - is that what you are thinking? Just curious of what your intended setup is -
 
Gibby said:
Here are some RED Team comments about the EVF and LCD:

“This is the current set up -

EVF Only -

False Color Meter - only in EVF, potential for LCD in future (not a promise)
Overlays the entire image and forces it to monochrome....

EVF and LCD -

Histogram RGB histograms that appear under the main image

Waveform Luma waveform that appears under the main image

Focus “waveform” that appears under the main image

Some or all of these were shown in prototype form at NAB ...”

Stuart
4/26/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2014&page=2



“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships.”

Jim Jannard
12/20/06
DVX User RED forum
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=81730&page=5


“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships in 2007.”

Jim Jannard
12/15/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=81848



“Viewfinder - not optical, but many of the same characteristics of an optical - including SurroundView(tm) the ability to see around the outside of the frame recorded, and also being a true HD viewfinder, provides accurate focus.

Video assist. Is HD, has multiple choices for frame guidelines, supports DVI (using a custom LEMO connector), HDMI and HD-SDI. RED's available HD-LCD panel may be ideal for applications where a compact monitor is desired.”

Stuart English
11/21/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80097



“Yes, it is possible to have the EVF and LCD connected at the same time”

Stuart English
DVi
10/6/06
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76929



“Perhaps for the first time on a professional camera, the RED-EVF has been designed from the perspective of an integrated monitoring component, rather than a stand alone device. Although it uses a broadcast standard Hirose connector, its has a custom digital interface based around DVI, which allows advanced signal processing in the camera body, and a high level of communications between camera and viewfinder.

The RED-EVF can't be used with other cameras. Its simply the worlds highest performance electronic viewfinder, specific to the RED ONE.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“Yes, showing you what's happening outside of the recorded area (just like an optical viewfinder does) is one of the key differences between the RED-EVF and any other electronic viewfnding systems. We call that feature SurroundView. This feature is also supported on the RED-LCD and both the HDMI and HD-SDI based HD Preview outputs.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“The RED-EVF and RED-LCD are close cousins. They are driven by a common output from the camera that is expressed on two independent DVI based digital video, power and control interfaces. You could think of them both as viewfinders, one in a tube and one flat. You can use one, or the other, or both at the same time.

The RED-EVF has one or two additional capabilities I can discuss later, but essentially either one of them would be fine for camera operation. Both show Surround View, Histograms, Focus Assist, Frame Guides and Camera menus / status. As an example, if you were shooting underwater or on steadicam the RED-LCD would be the best choice.”

Stuart English
3/13/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=4
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I wish this condensed list was on the website. I am glad they are spending their time advancing the product rather than updating the site.

Thanks for all of this. Fantastic list. Eye opening.

David
 
battistella said:
I wish this condensed list was on the website. I am glad they are spending their time advancing the product rather than updating the site.

Thanks for all of this. Fantastic list. Eye opening.

David
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Glad to help David...

Since December 2005 when RED was announced, I've kept a progressively-updated archive on RED info in my word processing software. There's thousands of documents in my RED archive, all categorized via subject matter. By now, usually it is faster for me to copy/paste RED-related info from my own archive, than to do a search on the search tools of RED-related web sites, boards, and forums. In this case I simply went to my RED EVF & LCD archive and did a copy/paste of the pertinent info for my post. That list was drawn from three different RED boards - RED User, DVX User RED forum(inactive now), and DV Info RED forum.

Again...happy to help...
 
Jim any chance we might be able to see a photo or two of RED in action on the "Wanted" set?
 
Gibby = Lexicon :help:

thx for the info!
 
Gibby said:
Glad to help David...

Since December 2005 when RED was announced, I've kept a progressively-updated archive on RED info in my word processing software. There's thousands of documents in my RED archive, all categorized via subject matter.
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You have done us all a great service by doing this. I thank you for being so generous with your time and these efforts can only create good karma. This forum has a lot of that flying around and it's precisely because people like you contribute in this way.

Gratefully,
David
 
offhollywood said:
what 2K signal are you going to send into the decklink to monitor on set?
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Unless RED upgrade the HDSDI outputs to the new 3Gb/s SDI standard (which would be great) there will be no live monitoring above 1080p.

I heard a rumour that there is an option for 3Gb/s SDI on the F23, so it would be nice if RED had it too.
 
See me, focus me, ...

See me, focus me, ...

The EVF and RED sourced 1024 by 600 LCD should provide excellent on camera options. I am really looking forward seeing the effectiveness of the UI for making subtle adjustments when looking at histograms and waveforms in the field. The commitment of the RED Team to the operator experience means a lot. If Graeme's "magic focus" works as well we all hope it may turn out to be more critical to coming home with great footage than any other aspect of the camera's operation.

3g HD-SDI, HSDL, etc. all seem like inadaquate incremental steps to me. Could somebody please propagate a legitimate high throughput connection topology :ranting2: .

When RED does start shipping 4k monitors and projectors it sure would be nice if we could avoid having to use 8 SDI links like on the Sony.
 
Monitor concern

Monitor concern

The Third Man said:
And don't forget that Blackmagic HDLink PRO (web link) can offer 2K monitoring in a field (Apple 30" Cinema Display, etc brands...) that could impress any director to see a native delivery resolution IMMEDIATELY because actually the 2K is a resolution that is maximum for almost 98% productions TO DEAL in post and delivery TODAY (film print or digital projection).

WYGIWYS.

What You Get Is What You Seek.

Not only is used in computing to describe a new interaction paradigm in results-oriented user interface,

could be ALSO used in a brand new digital cinema acquisition and production.
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Just curious about your plan. Looking at the specs of Apple monitors, I wonder
how that monitor could deliver WYSIWYG quality. Resolution is one thing,
but how about the brightness, contrast, and color representation?
I just recently went through a search to see what options there are for
the on set monitor and for the grading monitor, but it seems like there is not a
single monitor that fits my budget that meets my expectation.

Regards,
 
Fix said:
Gibby = Lexicon :help:
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And so Steve's little known past surfaces. Before becomming a sought after DP, he tried a brief but unremarkable stint as spokesman for Lucky Charms (tm) cereal in the 80's. He also did a cameo for the 1970's T.V. series Lost in Space.

That pic is magically delicious, Jim. Thanks.
 
janghos said:
but it seems like there is not a
single monitor that fits my budget that meets my expectation.
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you know ... the whole REASON that Jim built the RED ONE, was that no single digital cinema camera met his expectation. Just MAYBE ... RED will do for monitors (and projectors) what it is already doing for digital cinema cameras ... let's all cross our fingers ...
 
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