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New "Game Changer" Movi Handheld Stabilizer

Is the the M20, at least, shipping with Growth Enhancing Substances ?

Thank you very much

Fury
 
Brandon J.F. said:
The smaller version definitely won't support a RED. The current (middle) version supports 10lbs and it's built for DSLRs primarily (cost $15k). It will only work with a very small lens, a very lightweight battery solution and a tiny monitor (not stock) mounted on the handle. The smaller version seems to be built for Go Pros and GH2/3s. The larger version, which apparently will support 20lbs, is likely going to cost much more than a new Epic. It seems to still be in development.
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You're right, i somehow was thinking it's 10kg, not lbs (and assumed 5kg for the M5). Thanks for clarifying Brandon.
Damn, 7500$ sounded a lot more doable. ;)

Still, i want one, this looks amazing.
 
This looks like a very useful piece of equipment in theory, but I don't think that it will negate Steadicam or necessarily save a production any money. With this, you need one more person to operate than with a Steadicam, and they have to be skilled enough to avoid delays in panning/tilting. You will still need time to balance the gimbal, troubleshoot, change out batteries for the gyros, etc.

In the end, this will be good to have in the arsenal, but I don't think it's the end-all.
 
I wanted to jump in here and offer a few points of clarification:

1. The MōVI can be operated single operator in 'majestic mode' We will post a video of this soon of how this works but it takes the users pan and tilt movements and transfers them to the camera while at the same time smoothing out all the bumps.

2. We have shot with the M10 using our EPIC and Canon 24mm, 50mm, and 85mm Cine Primes. We also used Vincent's CP2's which worked nicely. The main issue with bigger lenses is getting the CG correct without making the gimbal overly big. Part of what we LOVE about this thing is keeping it small, lightweight, agile. The EPIC is the perfect camera for that.

3. In the video of me running around the gimbal like an idiot there is a battery to power the EPIC. We mount it to the gimbal frame. It is a ultra lightweight fast charge Li-po that gives 45mins run time and can charge in 20 mins.

4. We will have live gimbals on display at NAB. I would love it if you stop by, pick them up and play with them. Once you hold it in your hands you will understand everything about it in a few minutes. We are at booth C9848.

Cheers to RED for making a camera so fully featured that can fit in a package this small. The ability to run down the street full speed shooting 5K 96FPS fully stabilized would not be possible otherwise!

Tabb
- Freefly
 
Tabb Firchau said:
3. In the video of me running around the gimbal like an idiot there is a battery to power the EPIC. We mount it to the gimbal frame. It is a ultra lightweight fast charge Li-po that gives 45mins run time and can charge in 20 mins.
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What do you use for a monitor? Does the rig work well with longer focal length lenses?

Thanks for jumping in and answering some of our questions Tabb!
 
Hi Brandon,

Yes the rig works well on longer focal lengths, we shot some 105mm skateboarding shots in this piece: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/movi and it worked really well.

For monitoring we currently have a SmallHD on the top handle as well as a wireless HD to the remote operator (if you are using one)

Best,

Tabb
 
Tabb Firchau said:
2. We have shot with the M10 using our EPIC and Canon 24mm, 50mm, and 85mm Cine Primes. We also used Vincent's CP2's which worked nicely. The main issue with bigger lenses is getting the CG correct without making the gimbal overly big. Part of what we LOVE about this thing is keeping it small, lightweight, agile. The EPIC is the perfect camera for that.


Tabb
- Freefly
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Thank you for jumping in....

If you can use an Epic, UPs/miniS4/SS or similar len, a lens motor, driver unit and a LW MB the you will sell shit loads here... The guys with packages like I just described (like myself) will through money at you...

Hurry up and sell me/us something... ;-)

Regards

Michael L

Ps how about an Epic special version???
 
Tabb Firchau said:
Hi Brandon,

Yes the rig works well on longer focal lengths, we shot some 105mm skateboarding shots in this piece: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/movi and it worked really well.

For monitoring we currently have a SmallHD on the top handle as well as a wireless HD to the remote operator (if you are using one)

Best,

Tabb
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That's exciting to hear! Looks like the clip is behind a pay wall.

Interested in doing a REDuser group buy? I'm sure a lot of people here would jump on it.

Michael Lindsay said:
Ps how about an Epic special version???
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That would be awesome. If they could get the max weight up a little closer to 13-15lbs I think that would be the sweet spot for Scarlet/Epic.

I'd love to be able to stick one of these on a handle for focus control too: http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microRemote-Accessories/remote-fingerwheel-controller
 
Honestly, as a Steadicam operator, I'm not afraid of the future, and this very well could be it for stabilization systems. When Garrett Brown invented the then called "Brown Stabilizer" in the 70's , he thought someone would come out with some sort of magic box, where you press a button, and the camera is magically stabilized. It took a little longer than what he thought.
Now, IMHO, this is really gonna work when this becomes a 1 operator (+focus puller) operation. I just can't see how a 2 operator outfit can be in sync all the time. In the video I can see several spots were I can see one op catching up to the intentions of the other.
im curious to hear exactly what this majestic mode is, but as far as I understand, you don't have pan tilt?
With the technology today, I don't think it would be tough to implement some sort of control that is not a joystick, but could be a twist or press of a handle, or something like that.
 
Well as I understand it, in solo mode you turn the rig and it just takes care of horizontal orientation - all other axes are up to you. That and the redrockmicro controller would be a solo solution. Don't know how well the focus pulling would go but I know from using my SnapFocus that given a good interface, pulling focus while operating becomes a very intuitive thing, whereby the sense of distance from you to the object 'plugs in' to your touch on the controls (familiarity with the throw of a given lens is paramount).
 
Tabb Firchau said:
2. We have shot with the M10 using our EPIC and Canon 24mm, 50mm, and 85mm Cine Primes. We also used Vincent's CP2's which worked nicely. The main issue with bigger lenses is getting the CG correct without making the gimbal overly big. Part of what we LOVE about this thing is keeping it small, lightweight, agile. The EPIC is the perfect camera for that.

3. In the video of me running around the gimbal like an idiot there is a battery to power the EPIC. We mount it to the gimbal frame. It is a ultra lightweight fast charge Li-po that gives 45mins run time and can charge in 20 mins.

4. We will have live gimbals on display at NAB. I would love it if you stop by, pick them up and play with them. Once you hold it in your hands you will understand everything about it in a few minutes. We are at booth C9848.
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Thanks Tabb!

2. Has anybody tried attaching this to an EasyRig yet? I see some interesting potential with that sort of concept.

3. Thanks for clarifying that. Is this battery available through you guys?

4. I'll swing by and pick your brain when I'm at NAB. Looking forward to seeing it in action. It's very impressive already.
 
Tabb Firchau said:
3. In the video of me running around the gimbal like an idiot there is a battery to power the EPIC. We mount it to the gimbal frame. It is a ultra lightweight fast charge Li-po that gives 45mins run time and can charge in 20 mins.

Tabb
- Freefly
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Would love some of these batteries. That solves a big issue with REDvolts which currently only deliver 25 minutes of power with a 2 hour charge time. You could potentially go all day with just 2 of these batteries with 45 minute run time and 20 minute charge. You could cycle 2 batteries all day if you wanted. Now if we can get a REDvolt that could do the same, I might start using them.
 
Brett Harrison said:
Well as I understand it, in solo mode you turn the rig and it just takes care of horizontal orientation - all other axes are up to you. That and the redrockmicro controller would be a solo solution. Don't know how well the focus pulling would go but I know from using my SnapFocus that given a good interface, pulling focus while operating becomes a very intuitive thing, whereby the sense of distance from you to the object 'plugs in' to your touch on the controls (familiarity with the throw of a given lens is paramount).
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hey Brett. No its not working liek this, if you engage the pan you will have left and right error motion, and the same goes for tilt. Maybe you dont see this clear enough but Daniel Iam sure he understand what Iam talking about as he is an old steadicam operator. Its like locking the gimbal in pan , try and do that. Even a stiff bad design gimbal with a stiff pan DIY bearing will give you trouble. And the break doesnt work either as suggested in another stabilizer device thread. And belive me there is no way to pull accuratelly focus while running around like this. There is no mechanical solution to cmbine with this as far as I can see and out of my experience building, remore heads, steadicams, and other devices. anything mechanical stop and turn will end up in error.
You will ask why steadican doesnt since it works with free friction acis, well, thats the thing, it works with the softer touch of your finger tips, that they cannot effectivelly and violently produce errors while providing smooth control.
and only when you need to wip pan you grip , but thats why its called a wip pan. its fast. Maybe someone can prove me wrong though and I hope someone does because I like new toys.
also easyrig is maybe an option for edurance but ahain no spring arm there, and the cord doesnt exactly absorve running, or steps, its just for support. so your rig will produce again errors. the human arm itself together with your brain and gravity is a better spring arm, with brain sensors, but unless you are superman you only can fly lightweight and for small period of times.
regards
 
Tabb Firchau said:
I wanted to jump in here and offer a few points of clarification:

1. The MōVI can be operated single operator in 'majestic mode' We will post a video of this soon of how this works but it takes the users pan and tilt movements and transfers them to the camera while at the same time smoothing out all the bumps.

2. We have shot with the M10 using our EPIC and Canon 24mm, 50mm, and 85mm Cine Primes. We also used Vincent's CP2's which worked nicely. The main issue with bigger lenses is getting the CG correct without making the gimbal overly big. Part of what we LOVE about this thing is keeping it small, lightweight, agile. The EPIC is the perfect camera for that.

3. In the video of me running around the gimbal like an idiot there is a battery to power the EPIC. We mount it to the gimbal frame. It is a ultra lightweight fast charge Li-po that gives 45mins run time and can charge in 20 mins.

4. We will have live gimbals on display at NAB. I would love it if you stop by, pick them up and play with them. Once you hold it in your hands you will understand everything about it in a few minutes. We are at booth C9848.

Cheers to RED for making a camera so fully featured that can fit in a package this small. The ability to run down the street full speed shooting 5K 96FPS fully stabilized would not be possible otherwise!

Tabb
- Freefly
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hello first of all congrats, secondlly I want to see how No1 works and shots from it. Apart of that very nice tool, for various style of shots.
regards
 
After initially thinking the same thing, I'm coming to think its not a steadicam replacement. Not for a while at least & not without spending a lot if money & getting used to always having to use a 1-3 man crew for pulling focus, zooms & direction / framing. In a perfect world thumb wheels will give Op control of some if this but running all at once with any DOF will be tough. Pan tilt jibs & gyros are not easiest things to use. + weight ceiling & cost / portability of 20 pound unit may in fact require a steadi cam or easy jib support. That said I havent wanted something this badly in a while including the octocopter. Have fun checking it out at NAB...wish I was going now ;)


Originally Posted by KETCH ROSSi
Glad I didn't get a Steadycam, cause I am surely getting this... ;)
Exactly what i was thinking. :)
I hope the smaller version holds a basic RED setup....
 
constantine Tirintzis said:
hey Brett. No its not working liek this, if you engage the pan you will have left and right error motion, and the same goes for tilt. Maybe you dont see this clear enough but Daniel Iam sure he understand what Iam talking about as he is an old steadicam operator. Its like locking the gimbal in pan , try and do that. Even a stiff bad design gimbal with a stiff pan DIY bearing will give you trouble. And the break doesnt work either as suggested in another stabilizer device thread. And belive me there is no way to pull accuratelly focus while running around like this. There is no mechanical solution to cmbine with this as far as I can see and out of my experience building, remore heads, steadicams, and other devices. anything mechanical stop and turn will end up in error.
You will ask why steadican doesnt since it works with free friction acis, well, thats the thing, it works with the softer touch of your finger tips, that they cannot effectivelly and violently produce errors while providing smooth control.
and only when you need to wip pan you grip , but thats why its called a wip pan. its fast. Maybe someone can prove me wrong though and I hope someone does because I like new toys.
also easyrig is maybe an option for edurance but ahain no spring arm there, and the cord doesnt exactly absorve running, or steps, its just for support. so your rig will produce again errors. the human arm itself together with your brain and gravity is a better spring arm, with brain sensors, but unless you are superman you only can fly lightweight and for small period of times.
regards
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From what Tabb has said about the M10 it's possible to operate for long periods with some experience with it (new muscles). The majestic mode allows for single mode panning. As for vertical suspension, there's some boom on the gyro itself that smooths out the human arm noise.

Crazy that a rig like this with wireless video and ff can last 45 minutes and recharge in 20 https://vimeo.com/63297368.
 
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