New 1.7 Primes for the RED ONE from Germany:

[Nick Gardner]

all the guys paying 20-35 k usd for 20 year old lenses will get....lets say not amused.

First of all, no one ever wasted their money buying quality, proven, industry valued lenses.

Second, put up or shut up. If some how the germans figured out how to turn out a 4 lens set of fantastic lenses for less than $5k a piece, great, lets see it.

This whole tease thing is lame and low rent.


Nick

 

[Joel Kaye]

First of all, no one ever wasted their money buying quality, proven, industry valued lenses.

Second, put up or shut up. If some how the germans figured out how to turn out a 4 lens set of fantastic lenses for less than $5k a piece, great, lets see it.

This whole tease thing is lame and low rent.

From Red to Monstro and a bunch of accessories in between this board has been a tease for hardware and software since day 1. This thread is no different. How long ago did RED announce a prime set? A year ago? If Laguun comes up with one in a couple weeks from announcing that'll be a world record around here from announcement to showing a physical product. He deserves a few weeks of slack to see what happens.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I think he should post a render... After all, around here, if it's there's a render, it's real. :biggrin:


The two threads on this subject have been merged.

 

[Chris Pickle]

First of all, no one ever wasted their money buying quality, proven, industry valued lenses.

Second, put up or shut up. If some how the germans figured out how to turn out a 4 lens set of fantastic lenses for less than $5k a piece, great, lets see it.

This whole tease thing is lame and low rent.


Nick

I admit this does get a bit exhausting. New cameras and new gear are announced, but then they're delayed or they never show up.... It begins to desensitize us on any new announcements.

If you are in beta testing, then how can you not even post a picture?

Chris

 

[Paul Andon]

Paul, Just a guess, but lagum quoted prices as being around 70-85% cheaper than usual. A cine prime lens 'usually' cost upwards of around $20,000 new. So that would make the price $3,000 or more.

Also, why do you want the Zeiss 50mm 1.4 if you already have the Nikon 1.4? That Nikon is a great lens and the Zeiss ZFs are just Cosina lenses under the skin...

Liam,
thanks for that,
yes I think I was in denial.

As for going Zeiss ZF rather than sticking to my 1.4 Nikons, I’m getting sick of fixing the breathing and tracking problems in post. Everyone tells me that the ZFs don’t suffer these issues on the same level, because of better mechanics? Anyway I will know by close of business tomorrow.

Thanks again
Paul.

 

[Nicholas Shields]

There's a joke around the studio that uses the phrase "What's that in Red accessories years?". But seriously, if you're attempting to lure customers who are currently in need of glass by promising a great deal on new glass that isn't past beta yet, then you are doing fellow Red users a disservice. If you're product development is anything like almost every other Red-related product development, then everyone should take your timeline with a massive grain of salt. In other words, if someone needs glass now or soon, buy it. Don't wait on vapor. Please don't misunderstand this post as an attack - I'm simply giving other Red-users another "lens" on the situation.

Nick.

 

[Matt Gottshalk]

I think he should post a render... After all, around here, if it's there's a render, it's real. :biggrin:

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QFTMFT.

Of course if the rendering has RADIOSITY it means that the product is shipping next week!

 

[Manuel Wenger]

i accidentally run into them Beta testing the new lenses, we had a little chat about the specs.
There main goal is to size them down in the shipping units, there are a little bulky right now. Hope i don´t get into trouble, releasing this snapshot from the testing site

 

[Adrian T.]

i accidentally run into them Beta testing the new lenses, we had a little chat about the specs.
There main goal is to size them down in the shipping units, there are a little bulky right now. Hope i don´t get into trouble, releasing this snapshot from the testing site

I see you're still on the alpha version. Here's a snapshot of the new beta version:

:wink:

 

[Tony Lorentzen]

Zeiss ZFs are just Cosina lenses under the skin...

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Sure - the Zeiss ZF lenses are assembled by Cosina and most parts of the housing is made in Japan - most likely also by Cosina. But the construction is developed by Zeiss and they also provide the glass and coating for these lenses.

 

[Liam Hall]

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Sure - the Zeiss ZF lenses are assembled by Cosina and most parts of the housing is made in Japan - most likely also by Cosina. But the construction is developed by Zeiss and they also provide the glass and coating for these lenses.

Designed by Zeiss, made by Cosina. That's all I'm saying and it seems you're agreeing with me. I might have phrased it poorly, but then I was educated in England.

 

[Chris Pickle]

i accidentally run into them Beta testing the new lenses, we had a little chat about the specs.
There main goal is to size them down in the shipping units, there are a little bulky right now. Hope i don´t get into trouble, releasing this snapshot from the testing site

Wow... the new lenses come with a built in Matte Box. They're gonna put Arri out of business.

 

[George Paatashvili]

New Primes.

first batch: 25, 32, 50, 75, 95 1.7 Arri PL Primes.
Optical quality in the upper echelon. Think mid between UltraPrimes and MasterPrimes. You cant know them so far.


correct.
Schott
http://www.schott.com/uk/english/index.html
would be rather intersing than ibe and laguun.



The american betatesters are a very small crowd.
I suppose we will deliver soon - as quality and mechanics now already have been approved and are on typical german / japanese level.

Final beta stage is in Berlin the next 14 days.

According to this post ("first batch: 25, 32, 50, 75, 95 1.7 Arri PL Primes") these lenses will be manufactured by ARRI, is this correct?

 

[Evin Grant]

I think he's referring to "Arri PL" mount.

Laguun, this set will need a 16mm or 18mm to be taken seriously.
Regardless of quality. I am interested but please hold off posting any more till you have concrete info on manufacture, pricing and availability. Otherwise it's just noise.

 

[I Bloom]

Some LA night party stuff could be arranged. I might not be the guy for that, mostly don't go west of Fairfax if I can help it.

I'd be happy to "DP" the test, but subjective lens testing is not necessarily a pretty business...

What we can do is try to rope in David Mullen ASC, Evin Grant, Matt Duclos ( perhaps with the shops lens projector in tow ), the notorious wandering uber DIT Brook Willard, VFX guru Mark Weingarter, a set of Ultra Primes, S4's, Maybe Master Primes - to compare shot for shot, side by side.

Up for it Jan ?
( It's also was Sunny and 30c here today )

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

I might be in LA in a week or so. Love to do a test wit yall.

Ian

 

[sander kamp]

Paul, Just a guess, but lagum quoted prices as being around 70-85% cheaper than usual. A cine prime lens 'usually' cost upwards of around $20,000 new. So that would make the price $3,000 or more.

Arri Ultra Primes start at around $10,000 per lens for normal focal lengths, Master Primes around $18,000. But since the Master Primes are T1.3's I don't think you can compare to them as being usual. So that would make the price...

Oh hell, this guessing is stupid, we just have to wait.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

ooh, we're talking in the neighborhood of $3k per lens?

 

[Evin Grant]

Ultra primes are about $12K last time I checked Master Primes are close to $30K per lens. My guess is a retail price of about $5-7K per lens.

 

[Roberto B]

well.. $12k is 60% of $20k.. then we would be talking about $1,800 per lens.. $9,000 set of 5.. remember.. 70-85% cheaper than usual :wink:

 

[Steven-Marc C.]

Laguun has posted previously this about the price:

prices are still discussed, but think ~2000-3000 is an easy route to go.

Don't know if that's USD or Euros, but either way it would be the cheapest PL cine-glass available new.
It's interesting that this new glass seems to come from Schott, which, AFAIK is owned by Carl-Zeiss. (And also produces the glass for Schneider-Kreuznach)