New 1.7 Primes for the RED ONE from Germany:

[Matthew Rogers]

Hi,

I think a lower cost Zeiss series will do very well.

But what will they look like? Will they be more like the smaller Super/Standard speeds, or bigger lenses like the Ultra/Master? Will they just be T2, or will they have even faster lenses? Will they just have a limited range, you know only like 6 or 7 focal distances?

It's looking like 2009 will be the year of the cine primes!

Matthew

 

[Mitch Gross]

you should know that Zeiss is also developing a new serie of primes together with bandpro. they will show them at NAB

BandPro is not exclusive on this product and will not be the only ones showing it.

 

[Stephen Williams]

But what will they look like? Will they be more like the smaller Super/Standard speeds, or bigger lenses like the Ultra/Master? Will they just be T2, or will they have even faster lenses? Will they just have a limited range, you know only like 6 or 7 focal distances?

It's looking like 2009 will be the year of the cine primes!

Matthew

Hi,

I would guess about T2 , lightweight steadycam friendly, bigger barrel rotation than standards, 18mm -135mm.
Jan's lenses would have to be about half the cost of Zeiss's to be interesting IMHO, from what he says they may well be.

Stephen

 

[Matthew Rogers]

Hi,

I would guess about T2 , lightweight steadycam friendly, bigger barrel rotation than standards, 18mm -135mm.
Jan's lenses would have to be about half the cost of Zeiss's to be interesting IMHO, from what he says they may well be.

That's pretty much what I was guessing--even what I figured in the focal range. I believe Mitch said at one point not to hold our breath on the lenses they were going to show at NAB for under $30,000.

But the question is, what can Arri/Zeiss do to these new lenses that won't make them compete with the Ultras? I can't really see them making optics that are not as good as the Ultras, nor can I see them making junk mechanics, so what do they do? All I can figure is that they will do the same that Agnux. did with the DP series-make them digital only. All I can figure is that the DP series is cheaper because the design is not as hard to build as the regular Optimos-both mechanically and optically.

Matthew

 

[Stephen Williams]

That's pretty much what I was guessing--even what I figured in the focal range. I believe Mitch said at one point not to hold our breath on the lenses they were going to show at NAB for under $30,000.

But the question is, what can Arri/Zeiss do to these new lenses that won't make them compete with the Ultras? I can't really see them making optics that are not as good as the Ultras, nor can I see them making junk mechanics, so what do they do? All I can figure is that they will do the same that Agnux. did with the DP series-make them digital only. All I can figure is that the DP series is cheaper because the design is not as hard to build as the regular Optimos-both mechanically and optically.

Matthew

Hi Matthew,

Only wider lenses or Zooms are cheaper to make them Digi Only like the Agnux.
I guess they wont be quite so well corrected, slightly simpler focus scales, 95% of the quality that is quite possible for half price. Remember the last superspeeds were sold for 1/2 price list at around 2,800 per each.

If Jan prices his lenses under 2000 there should be a good market.
I guess like RED the first wides will be something like 25mm 32mm, 50mm, 85mm. Second round probably 12mm,16mm,135mm & 180mm
If all 8 lenses were priced at $16,000, then there is a possibility of selling 500-1000 sets IMO

Best,

Stephen

 

[Guidofilippi]

If Jan prices his lenses under 2000 there should be a good market.
I guess like RED the first wides will be something like 25mm 32mm, 50mm, 85mm. Second round probably 12mm,16mm,135mm & 180mm
If all 8 lenses were priced at $16,000, then there is a possibility of selling 500-1000 sets IMO

Stephen

Mmmmm... tooooooooo optimistic...
Guido

 

[Matthew Rogers]

Only wider lenses or Zooms are cheaper to make them Digi Only like the Agnux.

Why are wider lenses cheaper to make? It seems like wide lenses (<20mm) are harder to make-IE get a better T-stop, fix distortion, etc. I would also think that zooms would be much harder to make since they have more elements and to keep them from breathing.

I guess they wont be quite so well corrected, slightly simpler focus scales, 95% of the quality that is quite possible for half price. Remember the last superspeeds were sold for 1/2 price list at around 2,800 per each.

What exactly do you mean by so well corrected? You mean exhibit more CA, on the wide end be more "bowed", etc? I'm confused about the superspeeds. Are you saying that because they "cleared" them out, obviously it doesn't cost them that much to make, and therefore can make cheaper lenses if sold in greater quantity?

If Jan prices his lenses under 2000 there should be a good market.
I guess like RED the first wides will be something like 25mm 32mm, 50mm, 85mm. Second round probably 12mm,16mm,135mm & 180mm
If all 8 lenses were priced at $16,000, then there is a possibility of selling 500-1000 sets IMO

I'll be shocked if they are under $2,000 USD or even Euros a piece. I would be VERY happy if a set of 5 (18, 25, 35, 50, & 85) was $15,000-$20,000. If they did a set for $25,000 that had a 16, 25, 35, 50, 85, 135, and 180, it would be amazing! I think we'd see those fly off the shelves if the optics were solid and the mechanics were 80% of the Zeiss/Cooke lenses.

Matthew

 

[Mitch Gross]

Know what prime is easy to make starting out? A 300mm T2.8.

 

[Evin Grant]

Zeiss ZF already exceed 80% of the quality of cine lens, the cost just explodes getting the last 5-10%

Stephen

I disagree with this completely. The Zf lenses are adequate optically but not mechanically when used in a cinema application. It's the barrel and long focus throw with precision mechanics and QC that makes up the difference in cost.

 

[Stephen Williams]

I disagree with this completely. The Zf lenses are adequate optically but not mechanically when used in a cinema application. It's the barrel and long focus throw with precision mechanics and QC that makes up the difference in cost.

Evin,

Whilst 80% of the quality is fairlly useless for motion picture use, I think 80% is about correct. Zeiss Standards don't have a very long throw either but people seem to like them. (i don't).

Stephen

 

[albert rudnicki]

Has Lagunn posted any info on his upcoming lenses on other forum, if yes,could anyone point me to it.

Thanks

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

i did shoot with them 6 hours yesterday.
i will order

 

[James T Mather]

i did shoot with them 6 hours yesterday.
i will order

You shot with the Red Lenses yesterday?

 

[Matthew Rogers]

You shot with the Red Lenses yesterday?

Considering his info says he's in Berlin and that's where Laguun is also, I'm guessing he means these lenses and not the RED lenses.

It would be really nice to see a picture of them just to see their form.

Matthew

 

[James T Mather]

Ah sorry - I got confused as to the thread - too many tabs open. thx.

ps - how do they look wide open?

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Considering his info says he's in Berlin and that's where Laguun is also, I'm guessing he means these lenses and not the RED lenses.

It would be really nice to see a picture of them just to see their form.

Matthew

asfaik today or tomorow he will announce everything.
people with questions can PM me and i can share my experience.

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Ah sorry - I got confused as to the thread - too many tabs open. thx.

ps - how do they look wide open?

better as i have expected...much much better.

 

[Roberto B]

asfaik today or tomorow he will announce everything.
people with questions can PM me and i can share my experience.

is the price list in dollars?..

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

At further risk of accusations, unnecessary whining, etc.. in regards to censorship, I have done a massive purging of this thread.

This thread is now open again. Please keep the discussion on-topic.

 

[Martin Ludwig]

asfaik today or tomorow he will announce everything.

still waiting....