Need your help for finalized my rig

[Patrick A.]

Hi,

Here the rig that i will buy for my Scarlet, i'm hesitating between several items :

- Shoot35 MAttebox: http://www.budgetcameragear.com/cinebox-4x4-Matte-Box-p/shoot-cinebox-flags.htm or LanParte Mattebox : http://www.cinegearpro.com/lanparte-professional-matte-box.html ?

- Shoot35 Baseplate : http://www.shoot35.com/products/rodsupport/af100baseplate/af100baseplateframe.html or Lanparte baseplate : http://www.cinegearpro.com/lanparte-vmp-01-height-adjustable-universal-v-mount-baseplate.html
(These Baseplates are compatible with the Scarlet?)


- LanParte Follow Focus http://www.cinegearpro.com/lanparte-follow-focus-with-a-b-hard-stops-new.html or Tilta Follow Focus http://www.cinegearpro.com/tilta-iii-ff-t03-fluid-damped-follow-focus-w-adjustable-stops.html ?

( There seem to be a problem with the LanParte FF and shorts lenses : http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...rlet-FollowFocus-(lanparte)-Viewfactor-15mmLW , there is the same problem with the tilta or no?)



Thank's for your help,

 

[Patrick A.]

Nobody?

 

[Jon Carr]

I wouldn't buy any of these.

 

[David Kuhn]

The Tilta looks like a nice part... but I decided to go with the redrock microFF black, which has been getting great reviews (for still lens use). I've not ordered a mattebox yet but it seems like none of the 'affordable' boxes have impressed the folks on here (including the $1000 redrock). I'm thinking about holding out for a used arri or chrosziel... but really not sure yet what I'm going to do. For a camera mount I went with red... Quick release dovetail, 15mm adapter, epic mount and dovetail plate... Quality is fantastic.

 

[PatrickFaith]

Nobody?

Sometimes the new inexpensive stuff can be real good, but mostly it can be total junk .... I don't think people in reduser want to discourage going the inexpensive way but at the same time unless they have tested it they don't want to comment. I came from the vdslr side, and all my gear was what i call "vdslr quality" and I had to repurchase as it broke, so in the long run a lot of my "inexpensive" vdlsr gear cost me more. I have found that waiting a bit, and over time getting used pro gear and/or group buys is the low cost way to go.

 

[Patrick A.]

Sometimes the new inexpensive stuff can be real good, but mostly it can be total junk .... I don't think people in reduser want to discourage going the inexpensive way but at the same time unless they have tested it they don't want to comment. I came from the vdslr side, and all my gear was what i call "vdslr quality" and I had to repurchase as it broke, so in the long run a lot of my "inexpensive" vdlsr gear cost me more. I have found that waiting a bit, and over time getting used pro gear and/or group buys is the low cost way to go.

I know, this is not the best stuff, but the Shoot35 Mattebox and The Lanparte FF have good reviews on reduser no?
The used pro gear is always too expensive for my budget.

For me a Bridgeplate/MatteBox, is just a fucking piece of metal overpriced :w00t:.
Do you think i can get a good rig (MatteBox/Bridge Plate/Rods/FF) for 1500 $ ?

Best Regards,

 

[PatrickFaith]

I know, this is not the best stuff, but the Shoot35 Mattebox and The Lanparte FF have good reviews on reduser no?
The used pro gear is always too expensive for my budget.
For me a Bridgeplate/MatteBox, is just a fucking piece of metal overpriced :w00t:.
Do you think i can get a good rig (MatteBox/Bridge Plate/Rods/FF) for 1500 $ ?
Best Regards,

I totally know what you mean, hear you have this great camera and all the "side" stuff starts costing more then the camera! For good quality pro stuff that has been taken care off, normally gets 30% off the price(still over your budget though for your matte box). For the bridge plates and stuff, I use the high end vdlsr stuff, so i normally buy all my plates and stuff from Kessler ... which I think is on cost right between the pro gear and the vdlsr. For example the kessler plate that has rod holds is $150 and the quick release is $140, the kessler stuff is real good on rigs going up to about 20 pounds, but gets worrisome when you put the big cinema lenses and other gear on (i.e. rigs over 15 pounds).

Matte boxes to me are weird, in as much as I think they shouldn't cost as much, which is in reality invalid. I have been debating upgrading my o-box for the last 9 months ... but all the pro boxes I really find I'm needing for feature film shots are running over $4k (which kind of slays me, paying over $4k for a matte box ... some how in my brain I have emotional issues paying that much for a matte box ... but really the lower end matte boxes don't compare to the high end ones). There are a trillion low end matte box discussions on reduser i think for this same reason. [lmao ... a bright tangerine matte box group buy would be awesome ... hint ... hint].

One thing that is great, is to go to is reduser meetups and such ... that way you know who your buying the gear from and can get some deals on equipment that has just been sitting for a few years(seem like good matte boxes are almost ageless, they get kind of scratchy but work perfect even a decade old). You can also get used "junky/broken" matteboxes for almost nothing, and just use that till you can afford a pro box.

 

[Patrick A.]

I totally know what you mean, hear you have this great camera and all the "side" stuff starts costing more then the camera! For good quality pro stuff that has been taken care off, normally gets 30% off the price(still over your budget though for your matte box). For the bridge plates and stuff, I use the high end vdlsr stuff, so i normally buy all my plates and stuff from Kessler ... which I think is on cost right between the pro gear and the vdlsr. For example the kessler plate that has rod holds is $150 and the quick release is $140, the kessler stuff is real good on rigs going up to about 20 pounds, but gets worrisome when you put the big cinema lenses and other gear on (i.e. rigs over 15 pounds).

Matte boxes to me are weird, in as much as I think they shouldn't cost as much, which is in reality invalid. I have been debating upgrading my o-box for the last 9 months ... but all the pro boxes I really find I'm needing for feature film shots are running over $4k (which kind of slays me, paying over $4k for a matte box ... some how in my brain I have emotional issues paying that much for a matte box ... but really the lower end matte boxes don't compare to the high end ones). There are a trillion low end matte box discussions on reduser i think for this same reason. [lmao ... a bright tangerine matte box group buy would be awesome ... hint ... hint].

One thing that is great, is to go to is reduser meetups and such ... that way you know who your buying the gear from and can get some deals on equipment that has just been sitting for a few years(seem like good matte boxes are almost ageless, they get kind of scratchy but work perfect even a decade old). You can also get used "junky/broken" matteboxes for almost nothing, and just use that till you can afford a pro box.

Yes, spend 10K $ for a Camera and her amazing technology, no problem, but spend 3K$ in two scraps of metal inert, "i have emotional issues paying that much for a mattebox" like you say

Thank's for your answer Patrick, the Kessler plate looks good for the price, i think this is a solution for the plate.

 

[Navin Ramaswaran]

Can't speak for the other items but I have the Tilta follow focus and it's great. Similar to the RedRock follow focus in terms of build and quality.

 

[Norbert Jalitsch]

does not look bad. and its definitly NOT cheap. i was surprised, i own a shoulderig and a battery plate made by tilta. very nice and performing well... lets talk again in a year...

http://www.cinegearpro.com/tilta-redy-rig-19mm-rail-support-system-for-red-scarlet-x-epic-new.html

 

[Patrick A.]

Thank's for your interest,

I have one stupid question, i'm ashamed but i come from Television and i have never assembled a mattebox kit. So i need to clarify what i need and what i don't need to form a mattebox kit and mounting it on a tripod.
This is what i believe i need :

- http://www.kesslercrane.com/product-p/kwik_system.htm The Kessler Kwik Release, and they propose me option camera plate, but wich plate i need? Short or Long ? 1/4"-20 or 3/8"-16 ?

- http://www.kesslercrane.com/product-p/k-plate.htm unfortunely the Kessler K-Plate is not disponible, by which i can it? (in the same price range if possible)

- A pair of 15 mm rods

- http://www.budgetcameragear.com/cinebox-4x4-Matte-Box-p/shoot-cinebox-flags.htm Mattebox with flags

Should i have forgot something ? (Should i need this http://www.red.com/store/products/mounting-plate-epic-2 and this http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc-universal-mount-15mm ? )


Sorry for these stupids questions !

 

[PatrickFaith]

Thank's for your interest,
... So i need to clarify what i need and what i don't need to form a mattebox kit and mounting it on a tripod.
This is what i believe i need :

- http://www.kesslercrane.com/product-p/kwik_system.htm The Kessler Kwik Release, and they propose me option camera plate, but wich plate i need? Short or Long ? 1/4"-20 or 3/8"-16 ?

- http://www.kesslercrane.com/product-p/k-plate.htm unfortunely the Kessler K-Plate is not disponible, by which i can it? (in the same price range if possible)

- A pair of 15 mm rods

- http://www.budgetcameragear.com/cinebox-4x4-Matte-Box-p/shoot-cinebox-flags.htm Mattebox with flags

Should i have forgot something ? (Should i need this http://www.red.com/store/products/mounting-plate-epic-2 and this http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc-universal-mount-15mm ? )


Sorry for these stupids questions !

The long plate is for more studio systems where you want to slide the camera back and forth to balance it (when you have a ton of stuff on your camera.

From what your saying you would need the kwik release and the k-plate. I am trying to figure out what the height is of budgetcamera matte box is (this is always the trick to some of this stuff ... to make sure the rods go into the matte box at the right height. With this kwik release setup you don't need the red mounting plate or red 15mm mount.

If you went with the RED items, which is btw totally pro so you have no worries, but you would also need to buy the "RED’s DSMC®-specific mounting plate is to be used with the DSMC® Quick Release Platform system (Dovetail or Bolt-on)". I am not sure on the height adjustment on the red equipment to that mattebox, I don't have a RED quick release so don't know exactly the height of the 15mm universal mounting kit . Your bomb squad guy is the best person to ask those type of questions too.

 

[David Kuhn]

So I went with the RED quickrelease platform with dovetail mount and bought a dovetail with it. I've got a Miller tripod and the tripod dovetail mounts to the bottom of the Red dovetail, I can lock the tripod mount and have a fixed 'arri style' dovetail that the quickrelease platform mounts on. On the front of the quickrelease I've got the dsmc 15mm lightweight bracket, which holds rods. It's aligned so that the rods are at the right height for normal lightweight components (I've got a Zacuto lens support and redrock FF, rrMB ordered).

Things I'm not entirely happy about...
- the RED dovetail is a nice piece, but doesn't have retainers at the ends so if you're not careful to tighten the quickrelease platform the whole camera could slide off unexpectedly (generally not desireable). I'm having small threaded holes drilled so I can put cap head machine screws at both ends for disaster avoidance.
- I don't have the redrock MB yet (should have it friday) but it looks like the 15mm lightweight rods interfere with the bottom of the filter stages, so the rods can't extend past the filter stages. The DSMC 15mm mount positions the rods above the mount base (because of the height of the epic), so on that end they're limited also - which means I'll need a number of rod sets for different lens lengths (annoying). Edit to add some pics:

 

[Shiblon Wixom]

The redrock MB uses the bottom stubby 4" 15mm front rods to mount the swing away arm, which mounts the actual 15mm rods along the side of the camera and that holds the mattbox, those side rods should be at least 8" or 12" and the swing away arm is quick release, so you can slide the mattbox forward or backwards as needed. For stability I added a second swing away arm, so the mattbox has two supports. Make sure you have the 15mm to 15mm swing away arm and not the 19/15mm to 15mm arm.

 

[Enrique Blein]

I have been debating upgrading my o-box for the last 9 months ... but all the pro boxes I really find I'm needing for feature film shots are running over $4k (which kind of slays me, paying over $4k for a matte box ... some how in my brain I have emotional issues paying that much for a matte box ... but really the lower end matte boxes don't compare to the high end ones). There are a trillion low end matte box discussions on reduser i think for this same reason. [lmao ... a bright tangerine matte box group buy would be awesome ... hint ... hint].

Would you consider the o-box amateurish? I have it in mind but I've never held one in my hands, although everyone speaks of it as very robust. I also have emotional issues about a 4k mattebox...

 

[Patrick A.]

From what your saying you would need the kwik release and the k-plate. I am trying to figure out what the height is of budgetcamera matte box is (this is always the trick to some of this stuff ... to make sure the rods go into the matte box at the right height.

Thank's you again Patrick,

I have found this, :

"If using the 15mm Rods Clamp & Swing Away mechanism, the height of the CINEbox is shipped set to the industry standard height of 85mm from rods centre up to lens centre (...) Adjustment is made at the connection between the Swing Away Hinge and the CINEbox body. This is bolted together via 3x bolts & by loosening these with the supplied Allen key, the CINEbox can slide 11mm up or 11mm down (22mm total travel) to fine tune the height. Once height is set, tighten down these 3x bolts firmly."
What do you think?

 

[PatrickFaith]

Would you consider the o-box amateurish? I have it in mind but I've never held one in my hands, although everyone speaks of it as very robust. I also have emotional issues about a 4k mattebox...

Well I can't really comment on amateurish ... since my shoots are a cascade of accidents, failures and schizoid collusions. The obox has been rock solid for me (so does not break), but when I change my large cinema lenses (because of no swing arm), it turns into a 10 minute exercise of completly taking off the mattebox which also entails my motion controlled lens servo's getting tweaked. Another thing I wish I had is 4 filters trays (or atleast 3) ... 1st for protection and/or IR, 2nd for ND, 3rd for varius effect filters. With the High end Arri MB-20 or the bright tangerine strummer mattebox I'd have all that (arri is massive though, I'm really leaning to the bright tangerine). Still O-box is solid and is a good box for 2 filters. Also btw I use that "black wrap" alumimum foil, which is a bit hacky but add's a lot of functionality from a flag viewpoint (good grips are worth gold).

Thank's you again Patrick,
I have found this, :
"If using the 15mm Rods Clamp & Swing Away mechanism, the height of the CINEbox is shipped set to the industry standard height of 85mm from rods centre up to lens centre (...) Adjustment is made at the connection between the Swing Away Hinge and the CINEbox body. This is bolted together via 3x bolts & by loosening these with the supplied Allen key, the CINEbox can slide 11mm up or 11mm down (22mm total travel) to fine tune the height. Once height is set, tighten down these 3x bolts firmly."
What do you think?

That sounds perty good, lol ... as long as it doesn't break.