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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

NAB13- DSMC FAN 2.0 Upgrade Kit

Phil Holland said:
So I've been testing out the new fans for a few hours. Burned some takes, particularly focusing on the "Adaptive" and "Quiet Record" fan modes.

Thoughts on the newer 2.0 fans (top and front are on my camera):


I think the key word here is going to be efficiency.
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Phil, did you get the new top plate 2.0 as well? I'm curious about the design of that, as it looks like the tubes would be ideal over the vents/slits we have currently with all of the top plates floating around (i.e. forcing heat out through a specific location rather than letting it dissipate across the top of the camera).
 
Thanks chris for the picture and showing me that I can still use the top vent plate over the top fans. Thanks phil for the full break down, the kit is worth the investment and not just for looks. I look forward to hearing the results after you use it outside.
 
BrendanLeahy said:
Phil, did you get the new top plate 2.0 as well? I'm curious about the design of that, as it looks like the tubes would be ideal over the vents/slits we have currently with all of the top plates floating around (i.e. forcing heat out through a specific location rather than letting it dissipate across the top of the camera).
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I did get it too. The big thing about the Top Plate 2.0 is that there's vent holes lined with possibly the most precise foam work I've ever seen designed for the Top Fan.

None of the other top plates have that and will just create noise in reality.
 
Isaac Marchionna said:
Has anyone gotten a gameplan on RED upgrading existing top plates to the 2.0 via the discount? No one seems to know anything about that over there.
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Got an email about it and was told there would be instructions for the upgrade path sent out soon. No ETA however. Could be any day.. Or any week. Personally speaking, I'll set my v1 Top Plate to the side for now. I've already bought the v2 so I'll upgrade that v1 for another Epic.
 
Phil Holland said:
Oddly, there's a familiar sound that's coming through my ear when I hear the fan run quiet and when I have have my head next to the camera. Sort of like film moving through a gate, but real quiet. I could just be crazy though.
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Yes Phil has a familiar sound;)
Today I tried a 1 hour interview, settings of quiet.
RED EPIC stabilized at 37/66 degrees, with room temperature at 27 degrees.
Everything is going well and quiet without many problems, I redid the blackshade for this temperature.
The audio guy was very happy;):biggrin:
 
Ordered the kit when it first came out in the store, shooting quite a lot in the south of France and it
can get really hot on the Mediterranean cost or in the in grounds "Garrigue" 42c ++ desert kind of atmosphere
good to here some Europeans are receiving there kit, no news from my rep yet, can't wait
I'll probably work something out (washers) with my top plate 1.0 until I get 2.0

Excellent advise from Phil, will definitely follow that thanks Phil.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Hi Peter,

Could expand a bit on this? I note that there are various fan modes now. Any explanation for what each means? Cheers
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Hi Rob, I don't know if this has been answered already, but do download the new manual on the red.com download page. The different settings are explained pretty good in there.
 
luigivaltulini said:
Yes Phil has a familiar sound;)
Today I tried a 1 hour interview, settings of quiet.
RED EPIC stabilized at 37/66 degrees, with room temperature at 27 degrees.
Everything is going well and quiet without many problems, I redid the blackshade for this temperature.
The audio guy was very happy;):biggrin:
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BTW does anybody know what temperature is critical mass for the sensor?
So what is the best range for the adaptive setting? I would guess the range RED is offering should be fine even at the highest setting, but then why is there low setting at all? Any thoughts? Any hints from RED?
 
Patrick Grossien said:
BTW does anybody know what temperature is critical mass for the sensor?
So what is the best range for the adaptive setting? I would guess the range RED is offering should be fine even at the highest setting, but then why is there low setting at all? Any thoughts? Any hints from RED?
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Patrick,
from 45 to 70 is ok (page 143 manual).. normaly i work about at 50 degree, i use adaptive setting.
I use quiet setting only when i use audio...
 
luigivaltulini said:
Patrick,
from 45 to 70 is ok (page 143 manual).. normaly i work about at 50 degree, i use adaptive setting.
I use quiet setting only when i use audio...
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Thank you, Luigi. I knew about the range the setting offers. Maybe I badly phrased what I mean.
Basically what I mean is: Why would we need a choice for that setting in the first place? I have no clue what temperature works best for the sensor. And I am pretty sure nobody else except red does. So what does it help to keep it low or high? And on what theory would we base that decision ?

I haven't tested but I would say with a lower setting the fan will be louder faster and with a higher setting you have more time until it blasts fully. But I still wouldn't know what makes sense for what.

:) I hope this explains a bit more what I'm trying to wrap my brain around.
 
Patrick Grossien said:
I have no clue what temperature works best for the sensor. And I am pretty sure nobody else except red does. So what does it help to keep it low or high? And on what theory would we base that decision ?
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One thing comes in mind. Think about the blackshading-profiles, they're somehow bound to a temperature-range and with this setting you can force the camera to stay within that area, even if you go from a cooled room into the summer-heat outside.
 
Can someone find out which of the new fan modules offers better cooling and/or which makes less noise?

Ideally, I'd like to only buy the top-dual-module (running at 25% all day long), but if it ends up being essentially just as loud or as hot as running the original fan at 40% (because there are three fans instead of just one) than I'll probably pass altogether.
 
Unrelated but can somebody HELP Please..Sent 3 emails with no response to Admin--How do I post to sell a personal Red item--Much appreciated! Please PM me-Thanks in advance
 
Mestizo Devon said:
Are the new Epics/Scarlets shipping with the new fans?
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Nope. They are an optional purchase.

From what I can discern from working with just the older front fan and both the new 2.0 Fans is that it comes down to efficiency, power, combined airflow, and a new blade design.

In combination with the newer fan algorithms this is really great upgrade if the fan noise is a concern.

Also, what hasn't been discussed much, is hotter shooting conditions. It's been 106-112 the last few days where I'm at in Southern California and if you find yourself shooting in warm climates I imagine the power and airflow of the new fans is going to be a big help for those shooting outside.

I need to test more before I know that for sure, but based on what I can tell from briefly operating outdoors with them, that's the case.


Mike P. said:
Can someone find out which of the new fan modules offers better cooling and/or which makes less noise?

Ideally, I'd like to only buy the top-dual-module (running at 25% all day long), but if it ends up being essentially just as loud or as hot as running the original fan at 40% (because there are three fans instead of just one) than I'll probably pass altogether.
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You're going to want to reconsider the ideas of running at certain percentages. While the Auto fan setting is tried and true, really take a look at the new Adaptive setting in particular. That's what I'm rolling with using the new DSMC Top and Bottom 2.0 Fans. I have the target setup at 70, black shaded to that, and the camera just runs....... quietly. There's a sound It's sort of freaking me out.

Pretty confident that Adaptive and Quiet Record are going to be popular on set while rolling audio.
 
I agree with Patrick that some more information is required concerning optimal temperature.

Running the camera continuously at 70 degrees sounds kind of hot. My camera generally never gets up to those kinds of temperatures. Is that going to affect the life of the camera or is it perfectly ok to do that for long periods?
 
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