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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Mysterium-X dynamic range...

13 stops of DR is absolutely fantastic.

Looking forward to test R-1-M-X soon with Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 at wide open @ f/0.95.
 
A sensor upgrade path for the RED One is a great option, thanks for not just writing off your 1st camera!

Can you talk about the technology behind this new sensor?

Is nano-electronics making the Transistor gate smaller yielding less noise and higher sensitively?

Shooting in 4k and displaying in 4k...must look incredible!

Dave
 
13 Stops of DR is a dream come true.....Looks like I might just not use Film anymore.
 
Laco Zamba said:
Is it possible to have 13 stops with 12-bit sensor?
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It's not a 12 bit sensor it's a 12 bit ADC. You can have 1,000 stops in a 12 bit adc you just lose a little bit of precision in each stop.

Same way you can squeeze 13 stops in an 8 bit tiff.
 
Hi

I'm not an expert so please take what I say with the correct consideration but:

With a Raw camera like the Red 1 the sensors output is encoded linearly (ie the brightest stop has HALF all values attributed). Therefore it makes little sense having more stops that bits. As it is the darkest stop has very little precision. If you have nonlinear AD conversion anything is possible.

Graeme N's posts on this topic are good to read.

kind regards

Michael

PS I don't think Red has posted on how Epic works and it would be interesting to maybe hear from GN on this?

Gavin Greenwalt said:
It's not a 12 bit sensor it's a 12 bit ADC. You can have 1,000 stops in a 12 bit adc you just lose a little bit of precision in each stop.

Same way you can squeeze 13 stops in an 8 bit tiff.
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Tanner Stauss said:
This is all very cool. The coolness and surprises are very routine by this point, but nonetheless, exciting.

I must have missed something, what is this "RED Studios Hollywood" being mentioned?
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Yea, please clarify gents- is RenMar now RED Studios? Like, permanently?

EDIT: Holy Crap! That's awesome! Congrats to RED on the new diggs!

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39949
 
Andrew Walker said:
To say the noise floor has been lowered is really an understatement. From the footage that was shown today and played around with by Michael from Lightiron it seems as if there is no noise floor. We had the cameras pushed all the way up to ISO 6400 and it looked awesome. There was no pattern noise. The only thing I saw was noise that looked like film grain. The new sensor is truly amazing.
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Bravo :hurray:
 
Laco Zamba said:
Is it possible to have 13 stops with 12-bit sensor?
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All digital sensors capture linearly. I'm 99% sure, in that raw acquisition form, that 1 bit is 1 stop.

I believe a 12-bit AD converter cannot pull beyond 12 stops of information out of the linear sensor.
 
Jannard said:
Neil Smith and his crew from Hollywood DI supervised an over/under shoot to confirm the dynamic range of the new Mysterium-X sensor. Charts were lit in a properly controlled light booth at D50. An engineering build was used with a slight calibration issue. Results clearly showed 13 stops with more room available given a proper calibration. We will re-shoot and post results as soon as the calibration issue is resolved. We fully expect a meaningful increase once this is done.

The noise floor of the new sensor is pretty incredible. I'll let those that have seem it post their opinion since we showed plenty of examples tonight at the new RED Studios Hollywood.

Jim
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This makes me very excited for the 16-bit monstoro.
 
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