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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

My Scarlet will arrive tomorrow!

Bart Allen said:
How many of you are really gonna get ur investment back on these cams it is definitely over kill for the web, and such a slow workflow and unreliable cams and heavy as hell, they just eat more money than they make if ur just shooting web stuff, who is ever gonna really see ur 4k footage imax? really? who will you deliver this 4k material too I just don't understand 20k spent for what?

so u all can shoot the same stuff thats all over the web like flowers boats waves bugs allot of over used slow motion, sorry but out of all of you I only see maybe one of you making it big in the industry the rest are never really gonna amount to anything, too much competition out there and scarlet will not give u the edge at all, battery life is horrible ssds are way too expensive, storage is expensive, slow workflow and for what? to deliver a 1080p image in the end! I really hope none of you have to end up selling ur Scarlet because u got in over ur head and cant pay ur credit or bank loan unless ur shooting a feature for the big screen u over payed, and trust me not everything on red looks flawless I have seen red footage look like crap at times in the hands of wrong ppl in the end all the money in the long run u are spending might as well bought an epic and get it over with...

4k is for ppl that need all the help in the world in post because you cant shoot it right the first time so u have to grade the shit out out it to make it look passable. sorry to offend but now after seeing the light have to say unless ur gonna get ur investment back in a month or have a lot of money to burn this camera is not for u ! the scarlet fixed would have been a better choice but now u have a overpriced camera for what?

most of u spend more time on here than shooting, I have seen fs100 beat red footage on the web at times I have seen 5d footage look incredible for ppl who know what they are doing but i'm gonna losse it if I see more red footage of boats flowers and garbage, where is the features or real work who is really paying u all to shoot flowers and waves and please stop using so much 120fps everyone does it it's getting lame now.

Fact most theater only project 2k as it is and with all the sofware bugs epic has u think ur scarlet will really be reliable, I think u all should have waited to see how the scarlet works out there hear reviews and stuff but all of u are so eager to plop down 15k like its 5 bucks wow must be nice to burn money like that, plus 4k tech will be available almost everywhere soon and cheaper you all think that no one can cum out with a better cam than red u must be smoking crack there will always be someone better than u so I bid goodbye to red and all of it's overpriced hype and buggy software RED is excellent for feature films but for internet overkill....

Hve fun getting in to debt and only being able to shoot 12--15min of footage at a time on 64gb and 25-30 min on redvolt not worth all the trouble in the end don't bother tot respond to me I wont read it i'm out peace.....
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Bart, I pulled out some key points you bring up, but I'm skipping the end where you come unhinged :)

"Price"

RED cameras are incredibly cheap.

Professional quality gear is expensive.

When I started out almost no one even thought about owning their own cameras and this was not very long ago. You were not going to own a Panalfex, Arri or Moviecam camera. Forget it.

Sure, compared to a DSLR a Scarlet is not cheap, but I have no interest in a DSLR. If that works for you then go for it. It doesn't for me. I know people do quality work with them, but I'm not interested. Never have been.

"Slow workflow"

If you think this workflow is slow you should try 35mm film. My first film was 35mm and the process was very frustrating. You don't get to see the true quality of what you shot until the very end of the process and it costs a fortune! Ever dealt with digitizing one-light copies of your footage off Beta tapes? How about flexfiles, keycode and cutting negative... and having to send what you shoot off to a film lab and just hoping everything turned out OK? I worked on projects where we didn't get dailies back until after we wrapped. Dealing with RED footage is a dream!

"Unreliable..."

RED is pushing the envelope and it's not always a smooth ride when you do that. There are bugs, things get delayed and that's just how it goes when you are making your own trail. I am totally OK with this because the benefits to us are huge. I have full faith in RED coming through and in the end there is a good chance we will get MORE than we paid for. I also don't hear about people having very many problems with this generation of RED cameras.

"Heavy as hell..."

Try going handheld with a Panavision GII :)

"4k"

I think people have already covered why 4k is important in this thread. It's where things are going and I would rather be a little bit ahead of the game than behind and playing catch up.

"flowers... boats... slow motion..."

It's called test footage. People are sharing it to help others get an idea what the cameras are capable of. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Tonaci, who was nice enough to share some "flower boats waves" footage with us, is probably more successful in this industry than you... by a mile.

"Storage"

SSDs may seem expensive, but when I think about how much I have spend on 35mm filmstock in the past to get comparable quality I can only smile and laugh. This is like a dream! I've spent more than the price of a Scarlet package on film stock alone! Ever try to shoot an entire project on short ends? I'll take "expensive" SSD drives over that any time!

"I only see maybe one of you making it big in the industry the rest are never really gonna amount to anything"

What's the point of even saying something like that? Wish success to everyone. How does it hurt you if other people do well?
 
Demetri Zuev said:
Brandon, since you have a working Scarlet in your hands can you please check if there are multiple aspect ratios available under the record resolution menu? Like EPIC's 5K 2:1, 5K 2.4:1, 4K HD, 5K FF, 5K ANA, 2K 2.4:1

I've been asking about this around the board not once but got no response.

I'm beginning to suspect that you can't change them during recording on Scarlet and the only option to achieve the desired aspect ratio would be cropping in post. I hope I'm wrong though.
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I think you can do everything you can do with an Epic. I haven't been able to play yet though. No LCD monitor yet :)

You can download the Scarlet User's Manual here: https://www.red.com/support/all/downloads

Click "Beta" and the link is on the right.
 
poor Bart, no sarcasm intended, I understand him and feel sorry about the guy,
he would probably be the most happy guy on the board about 4k and slow workflow if he could get scarlet package for $6K, just like Ted were saying in his videos;

But anyways, Brandon, congrats on your #6!
please, post some flowers R3Ds :)
 
Mitch Fillion said:
Just been notified my Scarlet is ready to ship! PL Mount 50939

Should get it by late next week hopefully!
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Woohoo! Congrats! I'm 942 (But Aluminum) so I've been watching your posts verrrry carefully. :) Only a week and a half! If production ramps up so that Al numbers go out at about the same rate as Ti even though there are more Al I'll be mid December!
 
Brandon J.F. said:
I haven't been able to play yet though. No LCD monitor yet :)
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Even if you plug your TV into the HDMI, surely you can at least cruise around the menus right?
Is it possible to record thru the HDMI after turning the menus off without a red LCD plugged in?
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Woohoo! Congrats! I'm 942 (But Aluminum) so I've been watching your posts verrrry carefully. :) Only a week and a half! If production ramps up so that Al numbers go out at about the same rate as Ti even though there are more Al I'll be mid December!
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I'm 50926 Aluminum.

I'll message you the moment I hear something, Gavin.
 
First time posting, and waiting for my Scarlet

First time posting, and waiting for my Scarlet

I ordered on the day of the announcement SO#1069
From Seattle WA
 
J Davis said:
Even if you plug your TV into the HDMI, surely you can at least cruise around the menus right?
Is it possible to record thru the HDMI after turning the menus off without a red LCD plugged in?
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I don't have a Red Mote or Side Handle either and most importantly of all I'm not even in the US right now... Will be soon though :)
 
Misunderstunding Scarlet's target!... Professional camera!!...

Misunderstunding Scarlet's target!... Professional camera!!...

Benoît-Joan Clariana-Roig said:
Even if some words from Bart Allen are excessive, I'm afraid I agree with him.

90 % of Scarlet owners here will never see their money back with their "work".

It's obviously overkill for 1080p use, you can deny it. Who owns here a 4k display ? Who owns here a LTO tape system to backup the TB of data you will get at 4K ? (I had plans to get one LTO tape system even with the 3K cam.)

Who can afford here to get 8/10 REDVOLTs and four to six SSD 128/256 mb for one day of shooting ? Who can afford here a full lighting cinema installation and the people to setup/use it ?

A Scarlet-X is definitely not a RAW 5DmarkII, nor an EFP videocam...
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Misunderstunding Scarlet's target!... Professional camera!!...

1- Where did you get that 90% of Scarlet owners Will never make their money back?? Amazing!...
Who is so bad in business? If it's a business...
If not, expansive hobby... If you can afford it, why not?

2- even if you downsize to 1080p, very happy with 4k... Reframe, vfx, stabilise, future...

3- 195$ a Redvolt + you can use Redbricks... Really, expansive???

4- SSD... You can download to backup drives right?? Do you know the price of P2 cards? Sxs cards for Alexa?

5- A full lighting installation? Sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't but in both cases you can have great images...

By the way, I heard it was a professional camera...
Do yo know the price of a professional lense, a matteboxe, filters?...

Do you know what you're talking about? (no offense) What kind of shoots are you doing?

It's not a 5D... You're right!
Maybe Scarlet is over priced for what you need/do... No problem... Plenty of choices...

Anyway...
Have a nice time shooting whatever is your camera!

Best regards
Antoine
 
ordered November 8th, SO 53124, this might take ages. Anyone think I'll have it in my hands by February? Shooting a feature then... Would have been great to unboxed it at least once and turned it on. haha

Congrats on those who are unpacking their cameras, must be like Christmas, the smell of new cameras. Will be a great day when mine lands in Sweden.
 
Some of us don't focus on the money it can make but the images it can make.
If it wasn't for an Epic-X, I'd be overjoyed by the current scarlet.

ROI can be through accomplishing a shot... Really.

And please don't badge me through that statement. The fact that I do this for a living is a byproduct of the first statement. Not the other way around...
 
Antoine MARTEAU said:
Misunderstunding Scarlet's target!... Professional camera!!...


It's not a 5D... You're right!
Maybe Scarlet is over priced for what you need/do... No problem... Plenty of choices...

Anyway...
Have a nice time shooting whatever is your camera!

Best regards
Antoine
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Exactly, how can anyone seriously expect to get a camera of Scarlet's caliber at the price point of a 5D Mk II?? I'm not a red owner myself because I simply cant afford it but that just makes me want these kind of tools more! Why bash a company because they don't want to sell me professional gear at a consumer price? DSLR shooters have to be realistic I've met so many with such a distorted perception of the industry makes it kind of embarrassing and frustrating having to shoot on DSLR myself, but I'm 19 in a university where do I get 15-20k?
 
I believe the discussion should be moved to another thread and leave this to Brandon's scarlet thread...

Love the fact that you got #0006. Still can't get over that...I wished that I got something like #0008 or #0088 even #21 would be awesome...


On the topic of the 5D and making money back.

I think if your a Scarlet owner you would've done your research and saved accordingly and understood how you were going to make it back.

If its a hobby then you understood what you were paying into and weren't going to make back or potentially weren't.

5D to Scarlet? That was never the point. The point was Scarlet being REDs version of the 5D for its line up. Canon think it would go 5D-C300 and then perhaps the 4K, we are unsure if that 4K DSLR will slot into the C300 spot or go above.

Now if it goes above, the Scarlet wins hands down on price alone. The 5D is aimed at the pro-sumer market, its priced that way. It wasn't intended for video obviously, the C300 is what is intended for video and the 1DX can also be used. The 5D M3 will be used for video and be intended for video use too, it will be intended for multi tasking. The 5D walked in and had some awesome video features so people jumped on that. The Scarlet is aimed at the profesional market. So yes some may take the step from 5D to Scarlet but its not the ACTUAL market RED was aiming at. They were looking at professionals who wanted a B cam or wanted to jump into the profesional game. So the upgrade path would be Scarlet-EPIC. If your jumping from 5D to Scarlet I'm sure you mustve done worst case scenario for cost and all and actually saved towards that and hoped for the best. If you didn't...then your obviously optimistic and I hope all the best to those that are.
 
Gunleik Groven said:
ROI can be through accomplishing a shot... Really.

And please don't badge me through that statement. The fact that I do this for a living is a byproduct of the first statement. Not the other way around...
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Exactly. I couldn't agree more.
 
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