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Motorized slider for scarlet???

Has anyone tried the new tools from Edelkrone? SliderPlusV2 with target- and wizard-mouldes looks nice, but i begin to think Edelkrone doesn't like us REDusers, the specs are always a bit tight, especially the max weight... ;) So, while the large slider is out (4kg max) the S and M version might still be able to hold a light-weight RED, but then there is the max payload of 5kg for the target module in vertical mode.

What do you think?
 
ShaunMavronicolas said:
Has anyone tried one of these... http://www.dynamicperception.com/products/stage-one-complete-motorized-slider-bundle - I would use the better motors, but am curious as to how smooth it is over the extension tubes joins and how rigid it is from twisting.
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I have used both the stage zero and stage one for some time now to shoot motion control time lapse with SLR's. Stage one is the lightest and most airplane friendly travel solution out there. Unfortunately the stage one is not solid enough for the Epic, not sure about scarlet. The stage zero is, but is not good for hand held moves. I have come to conclude that I am going to motorize my Kessler Cineslider for motion control time lapse/video with the Epic. It can handle the weight and will be better for faster moves.

Going to give my Emotimo TB3 a shot with the Epic on the cineslider with their stepper motor kit: http://store.emotimo.com/stepper-motor-pod-for-kessler-p47.aspx
For sure pushing the weight of the Epic on the TB3, but must give it a shot, its just so easy and fun to use. The repeatability aspect is really badass: http://vimeo.com/69393387

Will post results after I get it all dialed in and take some worthy shots.

Lastly a friend of mine got one of these sliders recently, its very sold, smooth, cheap, and comes with a bomber case...now to get it motorized:) http://www.ifootagegear.com/en/shark-slider-s1/

We put my epic on there with heavy config and it can handle the weight:
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I have tested almost every motorized slider option out on the market so here are my opinions on motorized slider options.

Kessler - by far the best of the bunch. Expensive, but you get what you pay for. I have a Cineslider 5' version along with the full Rev head setup. Consistent, beautiful shots every time. This is a great combination. You should be able to pick up a used Cineslider and Rev head at a decent price. Sets up fast, is well built, and it has never failed me in the field. For vertical shots, you just have to be careful. You would need a higher geared motor, like 500:1 or 1000:1 to lift that kind of weight while vertical. That motor would need to be changed out for all horizontal shots since it would be WAY too slow for live action movement. Kessler offers various ball heads that support a decent amount of weight so you can angle the camera any way you want, which gives you lots of flexibility.

DitoGear - works ok, though I found their systems to be quite noisy along with being heavy. It also was pretty buggy. Oftentimes I would have to reset the entire system multiple times in a given shoot, which obviously, is frustrating to the client. I wouldn't go this route, especially, since their prices are pretty comparable to Kessler's.

Cinevate - Not really mentioned in this thread so much, but they do make quality sliders. I love the Atlas 30/200. Quite, smoothest of all the sliders, though (the atlas 200) is quite heavy. DitoGear has actually partnered up with Cinevate to offer motorized slider options for Cinevate's sliders. This is using the same system/controller as DitoGear's current line of sliders, so I really wouldn't recommend this system since it most likely have the same issues I have addressed, plus it gets VERY pricey quickly on Cinevate's site to motorize anything they have.

Konova - You get what you pay for...crap in my opinion.

Trost - Bob spent a good deal of time orchestrating a group buy for this slider. Currently, they don't have a motorized option, though I think they're looking into that. This could be a very dynamic duo.

Overall, Kessler wins in my book. Plus the lifetime guarantee they have on all of their products is great!
 
If somebody else is interested in the iFootage Shark Slider S1 as well - they currently have 10% off and free shipping because of the Chinese New Year. It is valid till 07-Feb 11:59PM Hong Kong local time.

Check out https://www.facebook.com/gearcontact for the 10% code.

The build quality looks decent judging from the review videos you can find on the web. And for 576 USD it is worth a try I think :)

Mike

Daniel Kelly Brown said:
Lastly a friend of mine got one of these sliders recently, its very sold, smooth, cheap, and comes with a bomber case...now to get it motorized:) http://www.ifootagegear.com/en/shark-slider-s1/

We put my epic on there with heavy config and it can handle the weight:
redshark2.jpg
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would love to see some clips shot with that ifootage slider with the Epic if possible. Was about to order one today but I've only seen it demoed with DSLRs and the listed max weight is pretty low.
 
The Kessler is a great option, Dito Gear is also a good option, and Trost Motion slider, whom I am proud to say that they are also one of my Corporate Sponsors, are working as we speak on a Motorized option, and I know this for a fact because I am in direct contact with them, with suggestions for their Stupendous Trost system we are currently using, and trying to get it to become as a complete system as possible.

There are so many sliders options out there right now, that it really it comes down to only one suggestion I can really give, and that is to try and do as I do, read as much as possible about it , and then see if you can test them before making final decision, and actually don't do like I do, which is to always buy gear, and then after using it and having it not be exactly what I was looking for, end up always having so much stuff for sale, literally as new.
 
I bought one of these iFootage Shark sliders and thought I'd give some feedback.

Beautifully made and very quick to set up and incredibly smooth and dampened moves great. the extension rods work fine too with no noticeable bump as the carriage crosses the join. Can't wait for the upcoming motor to go with it. A lovely portable piece of kit.

With a DSLR or C300/AF100-type camera it could handle anything you could throw at it weight-wise I reckon. Did a quick Red test and had my Manfrotto 509HD head going into a bowl-to-flat-base adapter with the Scarlet on a dovetail on that with v-mount and monitor attached and the 28mm Hollywood on the front. It dealt with it admirably and the moves were nice and smooth but I think that's getting pretty close to the limit, especially if using the extension rods for the full length slides.

Now going to look for a lightweight flat-base head that can still pan and tilt with the Scarlet on it. The Manfrotto 502 appeals because it is inexpensive, can share the dovetail plate on my slider, is low profile and doesn't appear to weigh much which means I can put more crap on the camera :)
 
I also dig the Kessler. You can get the Oracle controller if you don't need full digital mock and it's much cheaper to get into than the CineDrive. I looked at Ditto last NAB and I'm pretty sure their weight limit was 10lbs or less.

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This weird abstract I'm working on with the Kessler at slowest speed...

https://vimeo.com/90889848

CB
 
Hrhr, thats Killer Björn. I'm really waiting for some footage to see what you are up to.

In regard of "oldschool" 2d-sliders for Scarlet. It should get mentioned here: Edelkrone now has a Pro version which takes more weight. And they do have those interesting modules, Wizard, Target and Craft. I don't know if Target and Craft are really up to the weight, at least not in every thinkable configuration...
 
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