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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

monitors again..

besides the main difference of $1500usd?
I use the DC and also the panasonic Vierra T-C P50V25 and difference is quite evident as far as i can see....but the other HP.....i'm ou of the loop. There are many that don't seem to like the DC, but i use it all the time and for my work it's great. WAY better than any of my Dells U2410 and 2407
 
10 bit display

10 bit display

Isn't the Dreamcolor a 10 bit display?
Short of 20k ecinema and Cinetal and such the only 10 bit display?
or 10 bit is old news....
 
We have a Dreamcolor, a Cinetal, and a Panasonic Plasma VT25. Out of all those, the Dreamcolor is our GUI monitor. Its an okay monitor but I've never been fond of them as my primary, color critical display. I love the Cinetal but that's in a different league of price all together. I've never used the monitor you are referring to in your post but my guess is its an 8bit panel as apposed to a 10bit panel and does not have the same user options as the Dreamcolor. Honestly, the Dreamcolor has always been a pain in the ass. I've always noticed on every Dreamcolor display i've ever worked on (and I've worked on quite a few) that they all have a green cast to them. My calibration technician confirmed as well and although we own one, I don't necessarily recommend them to others. As for which monitor you should go with In a higher end price range I think the Panasonic Plasmas are the better option IMO.
 
The main differnce is the Dreamcolors ability to emulate different colorspaces.

10 bits are cool, too... With the Hi5

But I agree with all Mike says.

Despite that, the dreamcolor is quite nice.
 
I am under the impression that the DreamColor has a far more sophisticated color management component. In addition to the IPS (In Plane Switching) tech (which I assume the models mentioned share) and the excellent (for an LCD) black levels, the DreamColor can be calibrated far more accurately and allows the user to save various color spaces. It also comes with a decent rec 709 LUT, a P3 (DCI) LUT and some other color space options right out of the box.

Not sure that justifies the price premium but in doing color work I often find the devil is in the details. YMMV.

Cheers - #19
 
I agree. I use the Dreamcolor a lot and have learned to interpret its color cast to the point where I know what the image will look like on something more accurate, keeping in mind that the something more accurate will usually cost anywhere from 10 to 20 times what the DC costs. But 10 bit is something that will separate it from any other regular LCD monitor for sure, then again, you need t be set up to output 10 bit, and yes, all the color spaces and emulations do help quite a bit. But if you don't have the patience to deal with the finicky Dreamcolor, then I'd recommend a good plasma any day of the week. Most of them don't offer the amount of control of the DC but they have more natural color rendition right off the bat. For what is worth, I do my color grading primarily on the DC, check final grades on a plasma, do a final pass and then go directly to both a DLP and LCD projectors to confirm final output. I've seen the work I create like this projected in high end 2K suites and the variance is so little as to be irrelevant.
 
For a while I had the Dreamcolor sitting next to the LP2475w - I own the Dreamcolor personally (which I use along with a Dell 24" and the 27" Apple iMac's screen) and use the 2475w (and other monitors) at work.

The HP 2475w is good for an 8-bit desktop display except that it exaggerates the bright reds to the point where they glow. Same with the Apple monitor. Dreamcolor does not do this.

If you try to correct for it with an Eye-One etc, then it over-compensates in the other direction. It takes the red out of everything in order to compensate for those bright primary color reds.

The best solution I could find for color-critical work with the 2475w is to stick an adjustment layer on top of everything in After Effects with the color profile converter applied... but turned down to 50%.

The next thing I want is a Panasonic plasma, yeah :) They're installing the 65" in the conference room at work as I speak, so if it's awesome I'll look to get it next year... or the 2011 model equivalent.

I figure that if you have both a Panasonic plasma and a Dreamcolor LCD and a consumer LCD - and stuff looks good on all of it - you're ok :)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
I figure that if you have both a Panasonic plasma and a Dreamcolor LCD and a consumer LCD - and stuff looks good on all of it - you're ok :)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Agreed Bruce. It's interesting because my color suite is across the hall from a recording studio. We are quite similar in that when they are done mixing an album the first thing they do is go listen to it in the worst places ie car stereo, boom box, computer speakers etc. Same with us, when we are done reviewing on our Dreamcolor, Cinetal, VT25, and JVC DLA RS25 projector I take it home and watch it on my old box TV, and LCD TV which are far from calibrated.
 
Hp DC

Hp DC

Hi,
We have been using the DC in our Scratch suite as grading monitor along with a JVC DLARS20 projector.
If callibrated properly by an HP callibration kit it is giving very good results.We use it thru Display post of Quadro 5800. Upgrading the firmware to the latest one solves the problem of the cast...
At the price DC is available its a killer deal specially with built in LUTs for various color spaces.
Thks
Harcharan
www.editfxstudios.com
 
Harcharan Singh said:
...If callibrated properly by an HP callibration kit it is giving very good results.We use it thru Display post of Quadro 5800. Upgrading the firmware to the latest one solves the problem of the cast...Thks
Harcharan
www.editfxstudios.com
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Hi Harcharan

Do you mean upgrading the firmware in the Quadro 5800 or the Dreamcolour?

Thanks
Eric
 
Firware

Firware

hi,
Upgrade the firmware of the HP DC. Callibrate using the Display post and I thing it will gove good results.
Thks
Harcharan
 
The color is terrible on the 2475w. I have one, its super saturated especially in the reds/magentas. Peoples faces look terrible, and if you dont have a red rocket it is impossible to get even a roughly accurate best light grade in rcx with it. wish i could return mine.
 
Nathan Pena said:
The color is terrible on the 2475w. I have one, its super saturated especially in the reds/magentas. Peoples faces look terrible, and if you dont have a red rocket it is impossible to get even a roughly accurate best light grade in rcx with it. wish i could return mine.
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How are you using it? Connection, calibration etc...

It's been very accurat in colors with our DI suite (Sony CRT's, plasmas and a projector I cannot remember the name of).

Corresponds very badly to Dell 24" LCD's, but that is sort of the point.

That is connected through AJA Hi5 from Rocket dual SDI with REC 709 profile.
The contrast in the REC 709 profile seems a bit aggressive, though.

Question is really:
How are you referencing/Calibrating your monitorpath?
 
Hi,
For best results use Display port on Hp DC
 
If I had to spend $500 for a monitor what would you recommend. Is it prudent to have 2 monitors or a single monitor in that budget. Appreciate if anyone can throw some light on the advantages of 2 monitors.
Monitors that I am considering are
1. ASUS VW266H Black 25.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1)
2. ASUS VE276Q Black 27" 1920X1080 2ms Full HD HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor w/Display Port & Speakers
300 cd/m2 100,000 :1 (ASCR)
3. SAMSUNG P2770HD Rose Black 27" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 50,000:1(1000:1) Built-in
HDTV Tuner & Speakers

Thx in Adv
Soman
 
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BTLH2550 Panasonic. I have two now. Nothing but great things to say about this monitor. Image is far and beyond the Panny 1700s, in slightly less rugged (and less heavy?) enclosure.
Maybe plasma is your best bet for grading price/performance but with Dual HDSDI in, DVI in (for computer or 5D/7D if you use em) Waveform, Vectorscope, and Audio Meters it's a really nice surprisingly light package.
I mention it because I know of several demos selling around for less than half what I paid for 2 years ago.
Hope that helps.

Brian Broz
IATSE 669 DIT
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
what is the main differences between the expensive dreamcolor and the HP LP2475w @ $500 -ish
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I'd like to upgrade my monitor too, and I do know that the 2475 has a CCFL backlight instead of the LED of the DreamColor, with shorter life, more power consumption and heat generation.
 
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