Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Meet Charlie..

kinoeye said:
To my eye, the image is soft. I had to do a very high amount of sharpening in photoshop to get it looking right. I am guessing that the OLPF is the culprit. As with the Red One, I feel that the anti-aliasing may be too aggressive. I would love to see how the same image looked with a slightly lighter OLPF.
Click to expand...
The new sensor is still using Bayer pattern, so even in 5k or more, it wil still look slightly "soft" (like in "not over-sharpened") when viewed at a 1:1 pixel ratio.
That's why they are making this sensor 5K in the upcoming Epic and Scarlet : most of the 5K footage will probably always be converted to 4K files (or less), but it will allow you to get very sharp 4K images to work with, downsampled from the full 5K debayer.
 
This still was also grabbed with a slow shutter, presumably, there's some motion blur present too. Either way, it's pretty damn sharp and detailed. We can count the ribs on the umbrella reflected in the eyeball.

Sharpening is gained through downsampling from the 5K original, and a bit added to taste later in the post pipeline. Just like we do now with 4K images. This looks amazing and we're also looking at a crappy 8bit JPEG version of it too.
 
Álex Montoya said:
That image ain't 'soft' as in 'lack of resolution'. Look at the detail of the feathers and the hairs on the skin.

I'ts just not oversharpened.
Click to expand...

Totally agree. It doesn't scream HD sharpness. To me it feels like film emulsion sharpness. Even the the dark areas have a much more film like grain, it doesn't have that flatness or blockyness of color areas that you see in many digital images nowadays.
 
I think another thing that people are not considering is the shallow depth of field in this photo. You notice that around the top of his head and the root of his beak the feathers are very sharp, but the side of his neck is out of focus not because the image is soft but because the depth of field is so shallow. If you look at the feathers under his chin right where his neck starts to travel vertically, the feathers under there are very sharp, while the feathers just an inch over on the side of his neck are soft because they are out of focus due to the shallow depth of field. It is not a soft image, it is a shallow DOF image. It really is an incredible image, I am stunned that you can get a still that looks this good from motion camera.
 
kinoeye said:
I assume that the 2/3" Scarlet will have a lighter OLPF. Right?
Click to expand...
Pixel size and pixel pitch on the 2/3" sensor is the same as on the S35 5K sensor, so probably not.
Remember that 3K is not a delivery format. Same thing as 5K.
3K RAW will give you perfect 2K or HD footage, with very little need for sharpening (depending on you taste of course, if you're going for the oversharpened Sony look, then you might want to add some in post).
5K will give you perfect 4K / 2K or HD footage.

EDIT : Forget what I just said (well, the first part), as mentioned in the following answers, pixels are smaller in the 2/3" version that in the S35, so yes, I guess the OLPF will be different to match that...
 
Last edited:
Nils Ruinet said:
Pixel size and pixel pitch on the 2/3" sensor is the same as on the S35 5K sensor,...........
Click to expand...

I don't think that's correct.

2/3 = 3.3 microns, S35 = 5.4 microns.
 
2/3" Scarlet has 3.3u pixels, Mysterium-X S35 has 5.4u pixels and Monstro is 6.0u.

Jim
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top