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Ron Kurokawa

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Since there's a 3-4 week backorder on Red official media. Anybody try any other cfast express cards? Angelbird ones?
 
Last week Scott Balkum had a Raptor Q and A on his YouTube channel, it was 3.5 hours long and Jarred and Phil were in the chat room. I saw it the next day . Jarred chatted that RED currently had some cards in stock. So I contacted RED sales and asked if it really takes 3-4 weeks to get them.
They got back to me pretty fast and said they could fill an order if I made a purchase and sent them a copy of the sales order.
That happened on Thursday the 30th and the delivery happened today. I used the chat function on the sales page which sent the rep an email. Thanks Jiselle!

Also during that long video it was said that the card Angelbird makes and sold by RED are the only media that is going to cut it right now.
Jarred said they were working with other card vendors but they aren't there yet.
We were going to try another brand and try it like you mentioned, but after I heard they were in stock we just got 2 more RED cards.
 
Brian Ferguson said:
Last week Scott Balkum had a Raptor Q and A on his YouTube channel, it was 3.5 hours long and Jarred and Phil were in the chat room. I saw it the next day . Jarred chatted that RED currently had some cards in stock. So I contacted RED sales and asked if it really takes 3-4 weeks to get them.
They got back to me pretty fast and said they could fill an order if I made a purchase and sent them a copy of the sales order.
That happened on Thursday the 30th and the delivery happened today. I used the chat function on the sales page which sent the rep an email. Thanks Jiselle!

Also during that long video it was said that the card Angelbird makes and sold by RED are the only media that is going to cut it right now.
Jarred said they were working with other card vendors but they aren't there yet.
We were going to try another brand and try it like you mentioned, but after I heard they were in stock we just got 2 more RED cards.
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I guess you got lucky. Called a rep yesterday and was told 3-4 weeks.
 
Ron Kurokawa said:
Since there's a 3-4 week backorder on Red official media. Anybody try any other cfast express cards? Angelbird ones?
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I ordered another of the cards last week and got it a day and a half after my order. I'm not sure if this is still the case but the wait although when I ordered said 3-4 weeks was not as I expected.
 
Today I tested a 325GB version of the ProGrade CFExpress Cobalt series card. I had heard on the FB group users that some owners have had success recording 120 8K. Today I ran the card thought the V-Raptor twice, first recording a series of 2-3 min. shots in 8K120, the second time I did one long shot (again, 8K120) till the card was full. The final file was 324.7GB in size, just short of the 325 the card proclaims. I had no problem, it recorded completely with out any errors. I promptly order two more Prograde cards. I know these aren't "approved" maybe they will be someday, but they work as far as I can tell and from what others have said. I do lots of small productions and stock where a producer isn't gonna be looking over my should and see the "not approved media" message on the camera. So I'm ok for now using these cards.
 
Mark Andersen said:
Today I tested a 325GB version of the ProGrade CFExpress Cobalt series card. I had heard on the FB group users that some owners have had success recording 120 8K. Today I ran the card thought the V-Raptor twice, first recording a series of 2-3 min. shots in 8K120, the second time I did one long shot (again, 8K120) till the card was full. The final file was 324.7GB in size, just short of the 325 the card proclaims. I had no problem, it recorded completely with out any errors. I promptly order two more Prograde cards. I know these aren't "approved" maybe they will be someday, but they work as far as I can tell and from what others have said. I do lots of small productions and stock where a producer isn't gonna be looking over my should and see the "not approved media" message on the camera. So I'm ok for now using these cards.
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Thanks for this. Even if it's a temporary solution, I needed something asap.
 
Zitay Cfe to NVME with 2TB Samsung 970 Plus or 980 Pro - all modes tested ok - 8k/120 with pre-record tested the most, 39mins of 8k/120. Obviously clunky, but inexpensive and can offload at 7GB/sec! (980) Most other SSDs will not work due to exhausting cache and not be able to sustain writes, WD SN850 would be another to test. I'm going to ask Zitay if they would be open to making one raptor specific, 90 degree/shorter length so it could just mount on the side.
 
Vicky Marie Marks said:
Zitay Cfe to NVME with 2TB Samsung 970 Plus or 980 Pro - all modes tested ok - 8k/120 with pre-record tested the most, 39mins of 8k/120. Obviously clunky, but inexpensive and can offload at 7GB/sec! (980) Most other SSDs will not work due to exhausting cache and not be able to sustain writes, WD SN850 would be another to test. I'm going to ask Zitay if they would be open to making one raptor specific, 90 degree/shorter length so it could just mount on the side.
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You and I are testing the very same things :)
 
Mark Andersen said:
Phil, have you tested the Pro Grade Cobalt card? Thoughts?
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Nothing yet on other CFx cards. There's 2 or 3 cards I know "play well enough" with V-Raptor, but RED is testing and working with manufacturers. It's a complicated subject, but some cards may need a firmware update, some cards may not "qualify" despite mostly being able to do what people want.

I'd be a fool to recommend anything that isn't officially tested by the manufacturers, RED, etc. Just not worth losing the footage over.

Where I am spending my time on media testing is looking at solutions that provide more than CFx does. Mainly that comes in the form of capacity. I'm on day 5 of testing those solutions.
 
I totally understand that only Red should officially endorse or approve a CFx card. I think as time goes by there will be more options, it seem ProGrade could be one of those.
 
Delkin Green 2TB and 256GB - too slow - work up to 8k 17:9 28fps MQ 4ch audio with pre-record. - the data rate for that is .323GB/sec

Delkin BLACK 512GB card works for all modes including 8k 17:9 120fps 4ch audio with pre-record, nice 48hr replacement warranty.

as of beta 1.1 the max data rate is aprox 745 MB/sec.
8k 17:9 120fps LQ = .744 GB/sec , 8k 17:9 103fps MQ = .744 GB/sec, 8k 17:9 64fps HQ = .743 GB/sec

Angelbird pro, lexar gold, sony tough, NKI, Sandisk extreme pro, prograde gold all have too slow sustained writes.

Besides the Delkin Black 512gb and the Prograde Cobalt 650 / aneglbird xt 660, the other cards that should work is the Wise CFX-B640P.

Next up, testing m2. 2230 nvme to CFe - aka XBox-X storage - KIOXIA /WD SN530 1TB, should work if they don't thermal throttle.
 
Vicky Marie Marks said:
Delkin Green 2TB and 256GB - too slow - work up to 8k 17:9 28fps MQ 4ch audio with pre-record. - the data rate for that is .323GB/sec

Delkin BLACK 512GB card works for all modes including 8k 17:9 120fps 4ch audio with pre-record, nice 48hr replacement warranty.

as of beta 1.1 the max data rate is aprox 745 MB/sec.
8k 17:9 120fps LQ = .744 GB/sec , 8k 17:9 103fps MQ = .744 GB/sec, 8k 17:9 64fps HQ = .743 GB/sec

Angelbird pro, lexar gold, sony tough, NKI, Sandisk extreme pro, prograde gold all have too slow sustained writes.

Besides the Delkin Black 512gb and the Prograde Cobalt 650 / aneglbird xt 660, the other cards that should work is the Wise CFX-B640P.

Next up, testing m2. 2230 nvme to CFe - aka XBox-X storage - KIOXIA /WD SN530 1TB, should work if they don't thermal throttle.
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Thank you for all of your hard work testing these media options, Vicky! You saved me with your news of the Delkin Black 512gb working, just picked up a couple today.
 
Can triple confirm the Zitay CFE to m.2 NVME works like a charm. The cable sticks out and the card door obviously can't close, but it's a really handy trick for super long interviews. Would be funny shooting a full 8TB SSD worth of interview footage at 8K HQ and then just handing the unhoused m.2 to the client like "good luck!" Haha
 
We'll need to make a list of compatible M.2 NVMe drives. I've had one hang during formating for 30 minutes before freezing and locking the camera. Testing the drive separately, but yeah, not fun. 4T and 8TB testing here.
 
Phil Holland said:
We'll need to make a list of compatible M.2 NVMe drives. I've had one hang during formating for 30 minutes before freezing and locking the camera. Testing the drive separately, but yeah, not fun. 4T and 8TB testing here.
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A list of compatible M.2 drives would be amazing, good idea. Excited to hear the results of your 4TB and 8TB tests. Thanks for all your extensive testing, Phil. I know you're being thorough as hell, and it's certainly hard work on its own without everything else you've got going on.

The M.2 drives are a pretty neat alternative to something like a "LongTake" mag/card, barring QC issues from brand to brand or even specific drive to drive (I've gotten a 980 Evo Pro 2TB that was dead on arrival, and Samsung is supposedly pretty reliable). That 30 min formatting glitch sounds like a real pain, and hopefully an isolated incident. However, I am noticing that all the M.2's I tried were generally much slower to format, although perhaps the Zitay adapter is doing the "bottlenecking" there?
 
To wrap up media testing
Segate STJR1000400 XBOX drive (xbox-x expansion port is CFexpress) - writes are too slow

Sintech sells a $35 adapter that lets you stick a m.2 2230 NVME (tiny) into a CFExpress shell.
2230 ssds are in xbox-x, Surface Pro, etc Toshiba BG4, WD SN530, Samsung PM991

WD SN530 1TB turned out to be the fastest, also turns out these all have very small cache, so quickly slow to sustained write of about 610 MB/sec. Not enough for 8k/120, but super cheap setup for 8k/24 HQ.
 
Exascend 2TB cards are now shipping. They claim .8GB/sec sustained, so should work.

I will be avoiding this brand, after Canon added VPG 400 support (Video Performance Guarantee profile) to the R5 with 1.4 firmware, Exascend cards stopped working completely, freezing the camera. Eaxascend would not take it back for a firmware upgrade, they said to take it to where it was purchased, yeah amazon is going to get right on firmware upgrades. ridiculous.
 
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