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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Major improvement... free as usual.

Deanan said:
Getting things out helps third parties gauge how quickly they need to update based on the feedback from customers. Releasing an SDK before there is customer need means that nothing will happen otherwise. That's just a the reality of how these things play out.
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I see - thanks for the clarification, Deanan. And keep up the great work!
 
Thanks Jim!
It's nice to hear something in return, even if the answer is that you dont know yet.
 
can´t wait, thanks team.
 
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Deanan said:
Getting things out helps third parties gauge how quickly they need to update based on the feedback from customers. Releasing an SDK before there is customer need means that nothing will happen otherwise. That's just a the reality of how these things play out.
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It seems to me that by this point, there would have been a third party developer relations program (maybe there is, I'm not a developer). In that scenario, it further seems that the new code could be given to those developers along with an anticipated date for firmware delivery, allowing them to set their own timetable for integration. And I'm not talking about "hundreds" of developers here, I'm talking about the major post players - say, Filmlight, Assimilate, Avid, Adobe, daVinci, iridas, Autodesk, Digital Vision, Apple, and a few others I'm probably overlooking. This would take care of the bulk of the professional finishing facilities, while the core Red do it yourself crowd can and likely will use your tools.

Experience is a good teacher as long as we learn from it. The last go around was not as smooth as it should have been, and taking the view that nobody pays attention until a gun is held to their head doesn't seem to me to be a particularly constructive stance. The ability of the facilities to easily and properly handle Red footage is pretty darned important if you want the studios and high end productions to be shooting with Red cameras. For that to happen, there needs to be maximum compatibility with high end tools and minimal chaos in implementing that compatibility. That's all I'm asking for.
 
Am I wrong in thinking that if this latest development yields benefits for old footage, then it should yield those same benefits for footage from our non-MX camera? Or by 'old footage' should we read 'old MX footage' ?
 
Nice! Any improvement at the lower ISOs would be a fantastic cherry on top of this announcement. Hope there is some there too, even if just a thin hair over the already wide 13.5 stops. But cleaner high ISOs gets my blood pumping!!!!! Love it!!! Congrats!

Jim, don't let the bad stuff people are bringing up get you down. RED is always getting better, software, hardware, support, AND modus operandi! THAT is what matters!

If hiccups were the price to pay for the leap you forced in the industry, then I am deaf to those that complain, and only hear those that suggest (like several are doing here). We know who you listen to the most, and that you are always listening.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I asked ETA and for a quantitative amount of DR change back on page 3. I dont think questions are being answered. As usual this thread has turned into either bitching or praising without any Q/A, there goes the usual S/N. Perhaps these threads should just be locked immediately after the first post.
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Thanks Shawn,

You just saved me a lot of useless reading and time I can't get back.



David
 
M Most said:
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It seems to me that by this point, there would have been a third party developer relations program (maybe there is, I'm not a developer). In that scenario, it further seems that the new code could be given to those developers along with an anticipated date for firmware delivery, allowing them to set their own timetable for integration. And I'm not talking about "hundreds" of developers here, I'm talking about the major post players - say, Filmlight, Assimilate, Avid, Adobe, daVinci, iridas, Autodesk, Digital Vision, Apple, and a few others I'm probably overlooking. This would take care of the bulk of the professional finishing facilities, while the core Red do it yourself crowd can and likely will use your tools.

Experience is a good teacher as long as we learn from it. The last go around was not as smooth as it should have been, and taking the view that nobody pays attention until a gun is held to their head doesn't seem to me to be a particularly constructive stance. The ability of the facilities to easily and properly handle Red footage is pretty darned important if you want the studios and high end productions to be shooting with Red cameras. For that to happen, there needs to be maximum compatibility with high end tools and minimal chaos in implementing that compatibility. That's all I'm asking for.
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We spend a HUGE amount of time interfacing with the developers and doing custom things for Avid, Adobe, Apple, Davinci, Filmlight, Quantel, Discreet, Assimilate, DVS, etc.

How do you think you got an early MX release for Filmlight when there were only a handful of prerelease cameras? And with each having different requirements and timing for releases, it's not as simple as saying hey everyone, put this in now so we'll all be ready.

The reality of the situation is far more complex than you think.
 
Tim Sutherland said:
What would make sense then is to just not upgrade camera firmware until you are sure it is compatible with the post tools you need. I can't imagine upgrading firmware I'm the middle of a series or feature without extensive testing all the way through the pipeline. I don't even use the internet on my main workstation for the series I'm working on now for fear of an update messing up some sort of software compatibility.
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Totally agree.

You never, ever update anything mid project. Ever. It's suicide. Clients don't want to hear that it's a new software bug. All they will see is that it was working yesterday and it's not today. I would have thought on high-end series work that this would be obvious. We do test shoots for a reason... to make sure we can get the look we want before anything is shot for keeps. It would be most unwise to change once the look and post workflows are established. Stupid even.

M Most said:
Not everyone owns their own camera. And not everyone knows who's going to be doing the post production, or on what systems, when cameras are being prepped. And not everyone has the same healthy attitude as you regarding upgrading in the middle of a project. One of the big problems we have today is that information is given by hearsay, by Internet, and by rumor. Someone in the camera department might say "oh yeah, EVERYONE supports the Mysterium "X2", there won't be a problem." And almost as if by magic, everyone believes and accepts that without checking it out. That may not happen on your set. I've seen it happen too many times on others, though.

I think it remains incumbent on Red to make sure that the software release, along with its integration into third party products, happens before the firmware release this time to avoid such confusion.
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I disagree. It is not RED's responsibility to ensure people do not act foolishly on their shoots/edits. How on earth could they be held responsible? That's why we have Rental house techs, DP's, DIT's Post supervisors etc, etc ad infinitum. It's the people on the project who are responsible.... not the manufacturer. I'm staggered by this logic.
 
When we discover something... we are thrilled. Since we love our customers, we want to give them as much good news as possible. We don't look for opportunities to charge our customers, we look for ways to make them happy. Remember, we are customers too.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
When we discover something... we are thrilled. Since we love our customers, we want to give them as much good news as possible. We don't look for opportunities to charge our customers, we look for ways to make them happy. Remember, we are customers too.

Jim
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And THAT is one of the many reasons many of us who aren't yet customers are looking forward to the privilege. THANKS, Jim! :thumbsup:
 
Jannard said:
When we discover something... we are thrilled. Since we love our customers, we want to give them as much good news as possible. We don't look for opportunities to charge our customers, we look for ways to make them happy. Remember, we are customers too.

Jim
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Hopefully your wife She is not a jealous type Jim, because you sure do have lots of Love coming your way form us too ;~)
 
Jim. Some will always find fault in even the best news.

In a recent thread you were asked what you would do different if you started over. You replied "not talk so much :)" . Never do that. If you did red would just be another soulless business entity and this forum would be a ghost town. Most of us love good news. Keep it up and thanks.
 
Frank Weeks said:
Jim. Some will always find fault in even the best news.

In a recent thread you were asked what you would do different if you started over. You replied "not talk so much :)" . Never do that. If you did red would just be another soulless business entity and this forum would be a ghost town. Most of us love good news. Keep it up and thanks.
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It is a moot point because I can't help myself... :-) One of my many personality disorders.

Jim
 
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