KOMODO....

[Karim D. Ghantous]

If I understand the Bayer filter correctly, this is how the lines look like:

GREEN RED GREEN RED GREEN RED
GREEN BLUE GREEN BLUE GREEN BLUE

Line skipping, AFAIK, works two lines at a time. So every line pair is skipped, not just every line. That's baaaaaad. Maybe the X-Trans pattern would be better?

I do get the reason why you want line skipping, though. If it's an option you will find that people use it, but the appropriate cautions would have to be given explicitly.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

At this point, with all these third party raw formats, couldn’t red do a full sensor readout line skipped or otherwise? Since a TON of cameras do this? I understand the mission was to never downsample but MANY things have changed over the years, and it IS. A new era. Especially with Komodo.

Wait, which cameras do downsample their RAW ?
To my knowledge, neither Arri, Canon, Sony, Blackmagic nor Kinefinity do that when shooting RAW. (well, Kinefinity says on the specs of the Mavo LF that it does shoot 2K Downsampled RAW but it's a typo)

 

[Jacob Gibbins]

I know the camera was never meant to be an A cam, and is what it is, and seems to be doing it well...but for adventure and action sports shooters like me its size means you have made my 90% perfect ever camera, If it could get a touch better frame rates it would be unbeatable, hands down.

Is the reason it doesn't have a touch higher FPS down to hardware/power draw limits or is it a choice to not tread on DSMC2 toes?

Would it be possible too up frame rates:

Via paid upgrade as not to step on higher-end cameras in the line-up. Give users the choice of base, or upgrading it.

When only using Vlock or DCI power do you get the option to shoot higher frame rates? Assuming power draw on normal Canon batteries is the issue.

Only using Prores/higher compression ratios. Just trying to reduce the computing power needed. If heat/data rates are the issues.


All that said the key resolutions/Frame rates I would LOVE would be:

4k 96 or even better 4k 120, no matter how it may be possible.
If not 3k 96? Feel this one may be realistic?
2k 150/170?

 

[Gregory Karydis]

... Is the reason it doesn't have a touch higher FPS down to hardware/power draw limits or is it a choice to not tread on DSMC2 toes? ...

No, it's just physics. tiny package with a crapload of processing power.
I can only imagine that the signal processing unit is taking a beating each time the global shutter (instant readout of the entire sensor) is offloading each frame.
Actually, with higher compression ratios you multiply the computing power necessary.

Do not quote me on the following, as I am not an expert on the inner workings of RED sensors or the REDCODE process

To oversimplify:

For REDCODE
-------------------------- <- Photosites
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | <- Bayer pattern - Instant offload of Sensor data
R3D REDCODE RAW <- Compression of the Bayer pattern

For ProRes
-------------------------- <- Photosites
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | <- Bayer pattern - Instant offload of Sensor data
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <- Processing Bayer data to 4:2:2
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ <- Scaling the image to 4K or 2K (I am speculating: blur to reduce aliasing and then nearest neighbour image reduction, both of which are rather intensive processes)
ProRes Codec <- Compression to ProRes

I don't think power draw is an issue. if you overheat the boards, then you risk introducing artefacts.

Though, we cannot rule out the possibility of there being a future board upgrade option.

But for now, 3K @ 96fps (or thereabouts) might be possible since we have 4K @ 60FPS and 2K @ 120fps as Jarred already mentioned in this same legendarily long Komodo thread:

...you already all know the frame rates. 6k 40fps, 4k 60fps, 2k 120fps...

Purely from a math standpoint, we might be able to get around 96FPS at 3K

 

[Med D]

I think the best "action" camera right now is the iPhone 11. It's only 1080p but it cranks to 240fps and looks great. It also is with me all of the time, does not require an exotic battery or charger, does not scream "I'm filming this", and creates a very manageable, easily moved file. It does not seem to have heat issues. It's not cinema grade but I would not be surprised to find that many clips haven ended up in published work.

 

[Christian Jadot]

I think the best "action" camera right now is the iPhone 11. It's only 1080p but it cranks to 240fps and looks great. It also is with me all of the time, does not require an exotic battery or charger, does not scream "I'm filming this", and creates a very manageable, easily moved file. It does not seem to have heat issues. It's not cinema grade but I would not be surprised to find that many clips haven ended up in published work.

I hear you, the best camera is the one you have on you. Thats why I am disappointed that they Hydrogen Ecosystem did not take off ...

I am more than happy to get a Komodo though, it suits my professional needs beyond what I need at a price I can afford. (But I still want more, human nature.)

 

[Russ Fill]

Thanks

They discussed it a bit in the live stream the other day. Those kinds of things are being discussed and will be coming in some form. I can't tell you which ones or what their functionality will be, but it's safe to say that the current Komodos are missing lots of these little features for the sake of testing the basic functions first. More and more features will be implemented over time to make sure the firmware remains stable.

We're sort of in a "wait and see" sort of period, which I know isn't the most exciting answer. But at least there is still more to come. I've only heard of three hardware limits so far: high framerates, ProRes+.R3d files at the same time, and battery draw (they have to always ensure the camera doesn't draw more amps than the Canon BP's are capable of outputting).

Hope that helps.

 

[Stephen Mickelsen]

I for one am excited about Komodo, but not as some sort of high frame rate action cam or cheaper, entry level Red.

I’m a narrative filmmaker shooting primarily on Helium. I am stoked about being able to get the ‘looking out of the microwave’ shot without calling the Art Department, or sticking a second angle on a hood mounted car rig without 2 hours of rigging, all while staying in high resolution R3D’s! No more GoPro’s or consumer DJI drone footage - I can’t wait.

I plan to have mine mounted on RC Car rigs, bicycle rigs - all manner of places I just can’t easily stick a DSMC2. Hell, I may even resurrect my Kite rig from the day.

Exciting times!!

 

[Audy Erel]

This camera deserve more high speed action packed footage to showcase its global shutter capabilities!

 

[Gregory Karydis]

This camera deserve more high speed action packed footage to showcase its global shutter capabilities!

Coming soon!
From Drones, cars, yachts... heck even from the macro world!
Soon as I get my Crazy Coloured one!

 

[Patrick Bishop]

I'll be using the Komodo as an A-Cam as will many others. Simple as that.

Remember the Alexa Mini was designed to be a B-Cam/SteadyCam Cam and nothing more.

We all know how that turned out.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

I'll be using the Komodo as an A-Cam as will many others. Simple as that.

Remember the Alexa Mini was designed to be a B-Cam/SteadyCam Cam and nothing more.

We all know how that turned out.

THIS. Yes. A thousand times YES.

 

[Benjamin Jarvis]

Not even mad about this.

@teamsiqfuti really testing the fire rating of the Komodo.

EDIT: Embedded image.

 

[Luis Boria]

I know I'm a bit late that's because I was only interested in the black edition but Jarred I sent an email to get on the list since I just watched the Red Komodo Event live stream and it looks like the black edition will be a while so I figure why not try to get on the color pre-release hopefully.

 

[Benjamin Jarvis]

Closer look of the Komodo on fire. Stitched together from teamsiqfuti instagram posts.

 

[David Rasberry]

I want to see what the camera shot from that viewpoint.

 

[Evan Falbaum]

Now if only I had something to connect these together with.... :001_smile:

 

[Russ Fill]

Do we have any information regarding the bitrate of the new R3D HQ and MQ? I might have missed this info.

I thought I saw that the HQ and MQ were the same as the compression rates you have on the DSMC2 just in stead of say choices from 2:1 all the way to 21:1 you now have one at optimal compression rate of about 5:1 and then so on. Don't quote me and Im sure someone will sound in but that was my interruption of the new choices on compression. Lets face it most of us only use the best we can get on compression or some other choice. I rarely if ever use more than a few compression rates and I think thats what RED did here and chose the most common or best over all for a wide use of compression vs media rates.

 

[JasonShelton777]

Stormtrooper!

Stormtrooper!

Jarred, can you give your fans an update on the ST - K? What are we looking at as far as timeframe? Late July? Late August? Can't wait to get my hands on one! Thank you! Seriously though we are your fans and appreciate what you do for all of us!

 

[Peter Fiorino]

Hey all i am just contacting people right now... bad news for most of you is that the response was pretty insane.

The list is getting long... but you all that don't get notified will roll over to next week's opportunity.

And if you keep missing, don't be bummed.. I am going to take this list and when we finally get to the white cameras, you all will get pushed to the top of it so even though I know it sucks for most of you that don't get in these super small batches, emailing ahead will hopefully become worth it as you all will roll into storm trooper pole position.

Super pumped to see the round 3 colour! Fingers crossed for a yes, and awesome that the list peeps are getting bumped up for storm troopers.