KOMODO....

[jordan levy]

Just wondering; Would it be sacrilegious to ask for ATEM camera control compatibility in future builds?

I am working on building out multi-cam live switched productions, and live-to-tape studio build-outs, etc. (ranging from 6 to 12+ cameras) and it would be really nice to have a standardized CCU implementation for managing all of those cameras, especially in the larger configurations.

Now that BMD has implemented CCU functions over Ethernet, SDI, and HDMI ports, I would be love to have wider palette of cameras to work with.

And I would like to see more RED in that palette ;-)

THIS. I think this is the world i would be using this camera in a lot too and would love to have switcher control over it.

for those familair with ATEM, is their an sdi version, or does it have to hdmi for all the control features?

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

THIS. I think this is the world i would be using this camera in a lot too and would love to have switcher control over it.

for those familair with ATEM, is their an sdi version, or does it have to hdmi for all the control features?

I feel that RED would be on board and that it's on BMD to make a move in that direction.

 

[Jeffery Anderson]

it would be interesting if the Komodo could talk to the audio mixer/timecode lock box... great help with Multicam action shots and quick playback

are you imagining that it's embedded audio that needed from an Audio Mixer, just to help with the workflow of dailies? Like the hops are built into the actual camera and it just looks for the signal from the Audio Mixer?

if you got SoundDevices to build a transmitter to the Komodo you have all the files in camera, with the backup in the mixer?

 

[Matt Beardsley]

THIS. I think this is the world i would be using this camera in a lot too and would love to have switcher control over it.

for those familair with ATEM, is their an sdi version, or does it have to hdmi for all the control features?

with SDI ATEMs, SDI comes to the switch over one cable and a second SDI cable runs the program feed, talkback, tally, and camera control back to the camera.. so the cameras need an "SDI In" to take advantage.. They added the ability to do all that over a single HDMI cable with the Pocket cams and newest mini switchers just this week. Crazy.

 

[Matt Beardsley]

Hi,

Feels like I'm hijacking this Komodo thread a bit here with livestreaming banter but you can currently CCU DSMC1 & DSMC2 cams with FoolControl OsX (hotlink needed for DSMC1). You can rack focus with them too with EF mounts with AF. I think Mikel is working on a multicam version too? DSMC2 are pretty solid with the oSX version over GigE. Having loads of komodo's on remote robo Pan Tilt head rigs no doubt looks waaaay better than multitudes of PTZ cams. I think Datavideo has just released one plus there are other cheaper offerings from Hague etc, these will be great for OB's & live events. Longer lens heavyweights will struggle with these rigs though.

Though yes RED SDI Atem integration would be rad, if even just for talkback. I love using Reds for live multicams. Though at the same time, 2/3" ENG with Servo Lenses that zoom in for miles and miles and miles (figure of speech!) operated by a good cam-op are certainly not going anywhere either IMHO ; )

Craig Lees
UK

Oh so smart to use FoolControl OSX for remote cam control for multicam stuff.. that makes a lot of sense.. plus the option to go wireless on a small set, especially with the Komodo's external antenna that's gotta be better reliability than the DSMC2 built-in antennas. Cool to hear there might be a multicam version in the works

 

[Jae Solina]

Anyone else feel like the komodo won't be under $10k?So many great features in it that's making me doubt it will be under 10.

 

[Phil Holland]

Anyone else feel like the komodo won't be under $10k?So many great features in it that's making me doubt it will be under 10.

Jarred's been pretty transparent on how the viral pause is effecting the potential final pricing of Komodo through a couple posts. He also has the power to edit the very first post in the thread, which as of now still reads:

- It is not under $5k, unless you own a Hydrogen.

I'm thinking it's still well under $10K. The only models we know of that will be more than the "mass released model" is the premium those will pay for the early bird all white Stormtrooper bodies, which I personally still think will be under $10K.

But who knows. I know of a couple other manufacturer's cameras that aren't being released this year due to this global event. Very hard to know the full impact on manufacturing and actual final costs industry-wide. In many cases factories where many components through actual assembly of the entire camera system have been closed. It's unclear when some of that world opens back up, but many thus far have planned 2-6 months, which will certainly have a massive impact on new releases.

This isn't mutually exclusive to cameras either. A lot of new tech related things are also hitting some rather hard delays.

In some cases this will benefit final products by having more development time, but in others it's going to weight a heavier toll and likely produce questions about if it's worth releasing the product at all.

Komodo I think is luckily in a different path because it's been announced and under development for a long while before the "pause" and likely component chains all planned out. My quick take is it will still be priced within the general realm of what we thought.

I could be wrong, but I don't want to be wrong in this case.

 

[David Rasberry]

6K for $6k has a nice poetic ring to it. Still hoping Komodo lands there or under.

 

[Bart Oerbekke]

We have quite a narrow ballpark for price already thanks to Jarred. See quote below:

We still holding on that for the normal release plus the Hydrogen discount ... just under. Like $10 under. .

And Normal releae price still holding about 1K above that and miraculously Stormtroopers still holding about 1K above that. As you can imagine everything is a bit of a shit show right now and the only thing that is truly predictable is that this whole world is unfortunately going to get worse before it gets better so just assume that everything will change because it will be a pretty big miracle if we can continue to hold on like we have.

Aaron and our supply chain are doing some pretty phenomenal work right now. Mexico was the best bet ever... we got past a critical hump with some components that could of knocked us out when China shut down. This last week we conquered a ton of obstacles and now we just have a few issues left... A small board from Japan as they just shut down as well as a sensor pause at the plant in California as all of you know that has been shut down as well. I'll be able to give an update on those two later next week hopefully. Luckily we have a nice handful of sensors already in hand for the stormtroopers.

Of course all this is moot if we are not allowed to open our factory again before May. If the California lockdown goes beyond that... I and many of the RED rockstars will be literally assembling cameras and doing QC at home.... something we have done many times before. But again, I don't think we have seen the worst of things in California so the next few weeks are key.. not just for camera building, But for the more obvious important things like keeping people alive.

But yeah.. we still doing our best to keep that 5k, 6k, 7k spread for Komodo. Hydrogen discount doesn't happen till the normal black ones remember so the proper order is more like 7k, 6k+5k.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

While we are all safe, at home, I got a bit creative with my 3D printer and the Lego Stormtroopers that are waiting to meet their baby dragon counterpart.
So I daydreamed what the fire breathing Komodo delivery would be like...
Still finding my way around the RF mount and playing with the GDU 40mm lens and a few native RF lenses.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-on02iJ9pI/

I hope this gives you a few fun moments of distraction

This is for Aaron and everyone at RED working tirelessly from home to make this a reality!
Stay safe and stay strong!

 

[Brian Pascale]

Love it!

 

[Robert Hofmeyr]

While we are all safe, at home, I got a bit creative with my 3D printer and the Lego Stormtroopers that are waiting to meet their baby dragon counterpart.
So I daydreamed what the fire breathing Komodo delivery would be like...
Still finding my way around the RF mount and playing with the GDU 40mm lens and a few native RF lenses.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-on02iJ9pI/

I hope this gives you a few fun moments of distraction

This is for Aaron and everyone at RED working tirelessly from home to make this a reality!
Stay safe and stay strong!

This made my day. Excellent social distancing and use of masks.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

This made my day. Excellent social distancing and use of masks.

Exactly!
And zero contact delivery.
No signature required ;p

 

[Bob Gundu]

More Komodo footage.

 

[James Sielaff]

Looks great

 

[Gregory Karydis]

That DR looks straight out of a Helium!

 

[Phil Holland]

Hard to obviously examine "everything" from that one shot. But Jarred on the Book of Face stated that nearly nothing was done here except bringing down the shadows.

Which is good news when it comes to color and skin tone reproduction thus far.

So far, so good.

 

[Farbod Green]

A U D I O !!!
I have a feeling this footage was not meant to tease just the image quality but it's for internal mic/audio quality which doesn't sound good, but not that bad either...
if it's all internal mic and IF there was no noise reduction afterward (which I doubt due to some audio artifacts), we can say those fans on komodo are super quiet.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

DR looks great.
But that YouTube compression...

A U D I O !!!
I have a feeling this footage was not meant to tease just the image quality but it's for internal mic/audio quality which doesn't sound good, but not that bad either...
if it's all internal mic and IF there was no noise reduction afterward (which I doubt due to some audio artifacts), we can say those fans on komodo are super quiet.

I totally agree. If it is indeed internal mic, it sounds really good enough that it can save my butt in some situations

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I'm thinking it's still well under $10K. The only models we know of that will be more than the "mass released model" is the premium those will pay for the early bird all white Stormtrooper bodies, which I personally still think will be under $10K.

It needs to be way under that if there's gonna be a point to even get it instead of a normal DSMC2. You still need side gear, so the final price for a complete Komodo package will be higher. But if it goes so high that other cameras in Red's lineup isn't a big leap to anymore, then it will lose its price momentum.
Under $5000 or as Jarred mentioned, it's probably gonna be just under, so probably $4995, is a much-needed price for this kind of camera on the current market.

I would assume that it will be exactly mathematically according to the cost of a Hydrogen. So $4995 for those with a Hydrogen and $6495 for those without. And I think that should be the price point this thing is aimed for. Above that, it's getting a bit high for this kind of camera in my opinion.