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KOMODO....

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Phil Holland said:
I'm referring to some way to jam timecode mainly. Given the only port we see on there is a 3.5mm mic, I wonder if we can feed TC that way or maybe a wireless way or maybe "just use the force" (joking, sync to slate). It could involve the EXT port similar to the breakout cable we use in our world already.

I'm not really opposed to any of those methods btw. There's one or two I prefer in that mix, just curious to know what we'll end up having.

I don't think I'd expect this camera to generate timecode, then the question of transmission is there. But who knows, there could be a lot of new stuff inside this little lizard.
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My gut tells me that the EXT is pinned as CTRL + SYNC on a single 0B lemo. That would give you TC, Genlock (can’t really do 3D / VR without that unless you have a sensor sync to pulse option) - and also GPIO trigger. So ... that is my prediction for EXT.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
So did the Kinefinity, but didn't disrupt much of the market. But if Komodo is going to survive by only having the "Red" name on it and not be close to Zcam specs it's gonna be a hard sell for anyone with minor insight into the global lineup of cameras existing.
Red knows the competition, it's only down to how all of these make it in comparisons. It's probably gonna be a tight race and the winner takes it all since these specs at these prices are new beasts on the market.
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except the Mavo LF is well over 3 x the price once its up and running with accessories. I tested the Mavo and really liked it, the reason I didn't get it was the unknown aspect, the price and the reset price if I wanted to sell it. Its a little buggy too.
I won't be considering buying the Komodo if it isn't full frame, its a too important detail for me personally as I need to match my photography often in lens choice and DOF.


Paul
 
paul ross jones said:
except the Mavo LF is well over 3 x the price once its up and running with accessories. I tested the Mavo and really liked it, the reason I didn't get it was the unknown aspect, the price and the reset price if I wanted to sell it. Its a little buggy too.
I won't be considering buying the Komodo if it isn't full frame, its a too important detail for me personally as I need to match my photography often in lens choice and DOF.


Paul
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Speedboosters are getting better each year.
 
paul ross jones said:
I won't be considering buying the Komodo if it isn't full frame, its a too important detail for me personally as I need to match my photography often in lens choice and DOF.
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same. I've got a Z-Cam F6 (Full Frame, 6K) pre-ordered for $4000. I got $1000 off ($500 for the pre-order, $500 for owning a previous Z-Cam camera body). price and specs were too good to pass up. However, I'm keeping an eye on the Komodo and have my fingers firmly crossed that it will have a FF sensor. It's critical for me. Where the Komodo would win me over is reliability. I own a Z-Cam E2 that i bought to use as a little action cam because it shoots 4K 120fps in 10-bit. But it's a buggy little sucker. Not something I could count on for work. So I just keep it around for fun.
 
i could care less whether it is full frame or S35/s35+. What I like is that I only need the body and maybe the H2 phone plus a Metabones RCP to MD Minolta adapter plus a couple of Cfast cards to have a basic functional kit.
BP batteries and Beachtek balanced dual mic preamp from the old GL2 kit takes care of the rest.
Some of us old farts just want to play. :coolgleamA:
 
paul ross jones said:
except the Mavo LF is well over 3 x the price once its up and running with accessories. I tested the Mavo and really liked it, the reason I didn't get it was the unknown aspect, the price and the reset price if I wanted to sell it. Its a little buggy too.
I won't be considering buying the Komodo if it isn't full frame, its a too important detail for me personally as I need to match my photography often in lens choice and DOF.


Paul
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3x the price, and not readily available in many markets, no US distribution or support... zcam on the other hand they sell at B&H etc.
 
Kinefinity cameras went too high-end and too expensive for most people. Their cameras used to be in the Blackmagic price range but not anymore.
 
I'd love to get back to R3D with KOMODO, but only if it's full frame, and knowing Red i am afraid it's not :)
 
David Rasberry said:
I am trying to move away from Resolve for the most part. Liked it better before it became so bloated. Now I mostly just it use it for color managed raw processing and export high quality one light corrected Cineform DI's for editing.
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That's why I'm using Scratch for dailies and color/finishing, and Resolve for editing :)

Mistika (or Blender) for VFX stuff...
 
Rakesh Malik said:
That's why I'm using Scratch for dailies and color/finishing, and Resolve for editing :)

Mistika (or Blender) for VFX stuff...
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I use Lightworks for editing. The full up pro license comes with Boris FX and Graffiti free. It also works with Fusion as a companion app. For the most part though, I don’t use a lot of FX. Harrison Mixbus 32c for sound.
 
David Rasberry said:
I use Lightworks for editing. The full up pro license comes with Boris FX and Graffiti free. It also works with Fusion as a companion app. For the most part though, I don’t use a lot of FX. Harrison Mixbus 32c for sound.
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Lightworks + Scratch could make for an excellent dailies -> editorial -> finishing combo, since both work pretty well on even modest hardware, and Lightworks exports clean interchange files...
 
Had an interesting day today, got to poke around the new BMD PCC6K at Hot Rod Cameras today. I said it before with the 4K, the same is true for the new model. They did a pretty good job on those menus. Interesting cooling system in there and it makes sense given the design where all that is. I'll likely give it a full whirl relatively soon.

To the point of other cameras in this realm. We'll have to look hard at the general feature set and capabilities. Interesting looking at the pricing tiers and what you're getting, but generally all priced in line so far for the given features and surrounding ecosystem. I'm routing for the Sigma fp because it's a tiny camera, but I'm more interested in if they can take Foveon sensor tech to the next level for motion, where it's struggled in the past. But time and technology has advanced greatly and I think they'll give it an earnest try.

With several models incoming all tapping into that same 6K sensor from Sony, it will be interesting who gets the most out of it or find ways to make it unique against competitors. Much of that will come from the hardware under the hood and likely how much space have in their design and processing power (and cooling) they can shove in there.

Back to Komodo, we still obviously are missing some key details, but already I'm suspecting it does certain things differently than a few of these options floating near the approximate pricing tier. Hard to tell until the beans have been fully spilled.
 
Phil Holland said:
With several models incoming all tapping into that same 6K sensor from Sony, it will be interesting who gets the most out of it or find ways to make it unique against competitors. Much of that will come from the hardware under the hood and likely how much space have in their design and processing power (and cooling) they can shove in there.
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I find it interesting that Kinefinity seems to be months ahead of everyone (up to even a year+), putting out cameras with the new Sony sensors. Blackmagic seems to give the most reliable performance of all the brands, and Kinefinity has just gotten too expensive and tried to corner the high-end market which probably hurts their sales.

Blackmagic menus are the best menus of any camera manufacturer, but I feel like their design is really good because of the limited features. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the codecs/options are missing from the Pocket 6K because they wouldn't fit anywhere on the simple menu layout.

At least with the Pocket 4K/Terra 4K/GH5s/Z-Cam E2 situation, it's kinda funny that Blackmagic claimed the least dynamic range of all of those cameras, yet they probably have the largest usable range.
 
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Savannah Miller said:
I find it interesting that Kinefinity seems to be months ahead of everyone (up to even a year+), putting out cameras with the new Sony sensors. Blackmagic seems to give the most reliable performance of all the brands, and Kinefinity has just gotten too expensive and tried to corner the high-end market which probably hurts their sales.

Blackmagic menus are the best menus of any camera manufacturer, but I feel like their design is really good because of the limited features. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the codecs/options are missing from the Pocket 6K because they wouldn't fit anywhere on the simple menu layout.

At least with the Pocket 4K/Terra 4K/GH5s/Z-Cam E2 situation, it's kinda funny that Blackmagic claimed the least dynamic range of all of those cameras, yet they probably have the largest usable range.
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I would need to dig into and see exactly what sensor they are using, but a few of the upcoming options are a new space, mainly Sigma and Panasonic. They are taking a minute due to other reasons as well, like expanded L-Mount stuff, maybe hardware/software related things too. ZCam is a different beast. If I recall correctly it was a 6K S35 announced and they went with the 6K FF35 design somewhere in spring. I think they are mainly just seeing what works and what people want at the end of the day. They got some heavy lifting to do still IMO, but that's where that is. I've been on the receiving end of some pretty heavy handed marketing from their side, which I think is fine, but I'm the wrong person to approach that way. Way wrong. I'm curious out of the current models shipping at the end of the year what will end up being a top seller and where we'll see them used.

I see Kinefinity mostly expanding their presence when it comes to performance and pricing tiers, though extremely low adoption stateside for a whole bunch of reasons. They are at the moment exploring the $5.5K through $10K range with packages and features going up to nearly $20K. That's actually a pretty tight market presence. Mostly I see them positioning slightly above "entry level". BMD has that market cornered right now and is mainly competing with mirrorless cameras floating near the same tier now. And to their credit BRAW is setting them apart for now in this space in a nice way compared to other cameras and what exact codecs they offer around the same price. Outside of that, I don't see many companies truly wanting to compete in the sub $5K world when it comes to professional tools. And I'm not saying you can't use the BMD cameras professionally, it's just a matter of who is actually buying them, who they are targeting, and where they are mostly being used.

BMD did a great job with the OS and menus. Designs-wise, pretty good. Snappiness = A. It's a really nice user experience. I'm 50/50 on occlusion of image from menu items, but it works nicely for them.

On a personal note, based on some of the conversations online, not necessarily here, I don't think many people have realistic price versus performance expectations. Par for the course due to "want", but realistically when you look at all the surrounding costs, it's hard to bring something like say Komodo out for $3K and actually keep the lights on. Not with those materials and support, and I'm not touching on features because we don't even really know those yet. I have chats with people who think Monstro 8K VV should be a $10K camera, but those people aren't identifying the incredible lack of other 8K large format 60p cameras on the market. Even most of the 8K stuff I know is coming, the cheap stuff, tops out at 30p. And I'm not even getting into image quality related issues, features, or workflow. Same could be said about 5K 96fps cameras that RED offers in comparison to the rest of the market.

I think that highlights much of my curiosity surrounding Komodo though. It's likely going to do more in some ways, perhaps less in other ways, than whatever else the market is doing. i'm still a bit shocked that they found a way to make any camera this small and at what I'm guessing is an "in bounds towards things around here" price point. I don't know what the stipulations of "It is not under $5k, unless you own a Hydrogen", but it's impressive RED can even make a quality camera for something like this price. Brave new world indeed.
 
Skills are way more important than equipment.

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