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Kinefinity MAVO Edge

Les Hillis said:
Thanks Rand, I did see that footage earlier (and went back through the thread to look for low-light examples too after I mentioned it :) ).

The MAVO Edge does look to be performing better in low light than the previous Kinefinity camera's, from what I can recall.

Would still like to see the actual quality of the noise though, ie. how the image looks when even shooting at f/1.4 isn't enough.

I get the impression it would be alright, but am still curious.

I imagine the usual tests and side-by-side comparisons etc. will turn up when more of the cameras are out there, no big deal.
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I believe Jerome mentioned more scientific tests taking place sometime around this month about a month ago. So I'm sure the Low-light, Over/under exposure and Noise characteristic tests will be shown by kinefinity as well as others whom will have the final "Production' Version. Also I believe he mentioned showing the Mavo Edge with more Modern Glass.
 
MAVO Edge 8K in 4K | Open Gate | Nikon micro 55mm

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In response to a statement by Forrest Gibson , a Kinefinity Cinema Camera forum Member about liking the look of the video in post #344, Jeromy Gapfagear responded:


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Here is video from Kinefinity Cinema Cameras forum MEMBER Scott Davey of Kinefinity Mavo LF footage, which again is the same size sensor as the Mavo Edge only with 6K resolution instead of the 8K resolution of the Mavo Edge

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10th July Classical Concert Short


By Scott Davey


 
Here is Résistance a web séries by cinematographer Fabien Drugeon from the "Kinefinity Cinema Camera" Forum Shot with a 50/50 blend of the Arri Alexa S35 and the kinefinity Mavo S35 which has a Color Science similar to the Mavo Edge.

It's in french


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You can watch the series up to episode 10 At Youtube with Chrome Browser here:


https://www.youtube.com/c/Résistancewebsérie/videos

Here is Episode 10

 
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珍贵的早期 Mavo Edge 8K 影像资料


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环环-Official




Mavo Edge 8K/ Signature Primes
 
Jerome Gafpagear's Dairy on the Alexa Conversion for the Mavo Edge.

"This topic wil contain my diary about getting to learn the colours of the Kinefinity MAVO Edge 8k and working with them in post, and working on conversion luts to intercut Edge footage with Alexa footage. I already heard some people complaining about that Luts in general are not good , and that they need power grades from our side, but this is nonsense, because I am not going to clip or clamp data. We are just translating the kinelog curve into the Arri Log C curve, and we will use a 65 point 3d cube for that, so completely fine.

So boring days, lots of back and forth with different methods between Alexa and the Edge, many boring charts, mapping in nuke etc,
but I finally had a few successes, For those who are new to Colour matrix… it’s a rabbit hole!

We wont go fully in depth with our methods, because we ourselves don't even understand them 100% and still puzzled. We first tried the custom mode, so we can actually study what colours do, by spending nights and nights with the footage from this point of view we can also suggest to Kinefinity what they can change in their core matrix, but eventually we will use ‘Light illusions top tier Light match’ program to interpret data from the edge and Arri Alexa. What we basically do is shoot several scenes with lots of rich data (colours specular light, deep shadows, skintones etc etc) , with both the Arri Alexa and the MAVO Edge from the exact same spot and same lens, we will denoise the footage so there’s no inteference of chroma noise, and we will match them pixel to pixel so that both images can be exactly overlayed, we will make a few different images which will then be feed into Lightmatch and will output a high grade 65 point cube. As long as the Edge captures good data, which means enough latitude, wide colour gamut etc. we can match both cameras, but this is always hard because in the base matrix of the camera no gamut clipping should happen. Cameras are data capturing boxes.. the more and better data they capture the better, as long as this data is not dirty, but healthy we can transform it into anything we want it to be. Ironically my gf was painting a bit as well, so quickly made a few images with both cameras. The more you shoot with both cameras in different scenarios and study the images in post the better we can understand how to to grade MAVO Edge footage. For ourselves the goal is not to match the Edge with the Alexa completely but to understand the nature of it’s matrix and get the most beautiful footage out there with this camera, and inspire our clients to do the same. Whatever style you prefer (subtractive additive colour science), we will try to make as much tools and blog posts to inspire upcoming MAVO Edge shooters how to treat their footage in post."
 
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Kinefinity MAVO Edge 8K | Behind the Scenes (2021)


By Kinefinity Europe




We shot a kind of test video this summer with a demo unit of the new #Kinefinity #MAVO #Edge 8K, the first camera of its kind in Europe.
You'll get to see this final video on Saturday! Until then, you can check out our behind the scenes video.
 
Kinefinity MAVO Edge 8K | Berlin Test Video


By Kinefinity Europe


 
Gotta say, the Berlin video was nice but shows that focus is critical in 8K. Thought something was wrong with my eyes in the beginning of the video but turns out the focus was wonky! This makes me wonder about that Zcam F8, how much different is it to this and the competition? I saw some videos recently that shows the Zcams aren't too far off from the bigger names, Kinefinity's been around a bit but only seems to be hitting its stride now with the MAVO series, definitely some good stuff shown so far though.
 
Amanda Griffin said:
The camera handles tones similarly to the Arri Alexa.
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Amanda,

I believe according to Jerome, that the Mavo Edge's Color Science won't be finalized until around September. Jerome , as you have probably already read, is also working on a Kinelog to Arri Log- C conversion Lut as well.
 
Zack Birlew said:
Gotta say, the Berlin video was nice but shows that focus is critical in 8K. Thought something was wrong with my eyes in the beginning of the video but turns out the focus was wonky! This makes me wonder about that Zcam F8, how much different is it to this and the competition? I saw some videos recently that shows the Zcams aren't too far off from the bigger names, Kinefinity's been around a bit but only seems to be hitting its stride now with the MAVO series, definitely some good stuff shown so far though.
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I think 8K and Full-Frame together in one camera will always present focusing challenges and the Mavo Edge won't be any exception. I just wish that more 8K dynamic range tests and more footage in general were available for members to try in their own existing workflows. To see how the Mavo Edge measured up against existing Red Cameras.
 
MAVO Edge diary ....


By Jerome GafpaGear


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Kinefinity MAVO Edge with arri log c conversion

By Gafpa Gear



"a quick example of the Kinelog 3 to Arri Log c conversion which will be included in the camera for those who order with Gafpa Gear. We will also release this conversion for sale later this year."
 
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MAVO Edge | Gafpa Gear | Grain added in post


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