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KETCH ROSSi

You do understand that people psychologically equate higher frame rates with non narrative cinema, right? That is all that those who saw it are saying, that the motion cadence was not like the narrative cinematic cadence of 24fps and so it looked more like soap operas or reality TV. Several people even commented that they thought it looked great, but for things like nature documentaries.

This really isn't about you and I having a difference of opinion, the issue here is that you refuse to look at the obvious answer to why people were put off by the demo and instead look to excuses for it. I think this is mainly because of your emotional attachment to 48fps as it is the frame rate you have picked for your own film, but it doesn't really matter. People didn't like how it the 48fps looked not because the sequences were unfinished, they didn't like it for the same reason that filmmakers have wanted digital cinema cameras that shot at 24fps. People associate 24fps with narrative cinema, and 30fps+ with everything else. When you then try and do narrative cinema at 48fps, you are asking people to retrain their brains to accept something vastly different than they expect. Do you really think that come December there won't be a ton of people complaining about the way The Hobbit looks in 48fps/3D? If so, I'd love to make a gentlemen's wager about that.
 
AndrewThomas said:
You do understand that people psychologically equate higher frame rates with non narrative cinema, right? That is all that those who saw it are saying, that the motion cadence was not like the narrative cinematic cadence of 24fps and so it looked more like soap operas or reality TV. Several people even commented that they thought it looked great, but for things like nature documentaries.

This really isn't about you and I having a difference of opinion, the issue here is that you refuse to look at the obvious answer to why people were put off by the demo and instead look to excuses for it. I think this is mainly because of your emotional attachment to 48fps as it is the frame rate you have picked for your own film, but it doesn't really matter. People didn't like how it the 48fps looked not because the sequences were unfinished, they didn't like it for the same reason that filmmakers have wanted digital cinema cameras that shot at 24fps. People associate 24fps with narrative cinema, and 30fps+ with everything else. When you then try and do narrative cinema at 48fps, you are asking people to retrain their brains to accept something vastly different than they expect. Do you really think that come December there won't be a ton of people complaining about the way The Hobbit looks in 48fps/3D? If so, I'd love to make a gentlemen's wager about that.
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I do understand it perfectly, same as what people felt with the change to HDTV's, I did felt the same, however most of the times people don't know what is good for them, no exception here.

The difference is that I DO!!

Is not that because I have pick it for my film which of course I am very passionate about it, is because what I believe, and also a small group of people, and couple of articles, will sure not be the determining part of what will happen to 48fps, same as they were not on determining the failure of HDTV, I remember those days to, no different here, and it is not just about you and I discussing our opinions, it is exactly about discussing the opinions given by others, which I disagree with, yet I completely understand, as I my self have been there filling the same, about viewing Movies in HD yet recorded and projected at 24fps.
 
Ketch, keep in mind that a large majority of people who watch HD content do not have their TV's set to the high frequency rate as seen while watching your Samsung TV. Personally, I don't enjoy seeing the slight bit of ghosting (which is a completely other subject) I perceived...but, one could perhaps get used to it after a long while.

I'm hoping I will enjoy the high frame rate with 3D. I don't expect I will like it in 2D though.
 
The higher frame rate on 3D stereo is a cheap way to try to get around the annoying flicker feel caused from the poor tech. 48p looks video 30p looks video as well. 24p with 1/48 of black between each frame is looking the best I think, and most people trough history.

I have seen high def 150fps playback (playing from ram in the flame) and that looks like out a window/real etc but it's not at all pleasing to the eyes. 24p lets you see each frame which is simply looking better.
 
This is why im in the arts....At my core i truly believe in creative freedom...I understand the need to give people what they want to make money...So what im saying is if you have money or dont mind living without it the worst you could do is not be creative. Theres nothing wrong with having mental sets we all do just encourage those pushing the limits you mite see something new.

lol i didn't mean for that to rhyme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(psychology)
 
Evan Starkey said:
This is why im in the arts....At my core i truly believe in creative freedom...I understand the need to give people what they want to make money...So what im saying is if you have money or dont mind living without it the worst you could do is not be creative. Theres nothing wrong with having mental sets we all do just encourage those pushing the limits you mite see something new.

lol i didn't mean for that to rhyme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(psychology)
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Thanks Evan,

exactly my point, I don't do things for others when it comes to making Movies or capturing Still images, I do it because I love it, if others happen to like it of course that is nothing short of Fantastic.


What I do for others is projects of charity, and anything in assistance of Humanity and our planet, because I'm also a Philantropist at the CORE, but I would never allow others to dictate what I do or how I express my self in the Arts, that is why I have not done anything so far, and finally at my first Movie, because NOW I FINALLY CAN DO AS I PLEASE... ;)
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
Thanks Evan,

exactly my point, I don't do things for others when it comes to making Movies or capturing Still images, I do it because I love it, if others happen to like it of course that is nothing short of Fantastic.


What I do for others is projects of charity, and anything in assistance of Humanity and our planet, because I'm also a Philantropist at the CORE, but I would never allow others to dictate what I do or how I express my self in the Arts, that is why I have not done anything so far, and finally at my first Movie, because NOW I FINALLY CAN DO AS I PLEASE... ;)
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and that's how it should always be in the arts be it music, filmmaking or what ever. Everything we argue here is just personal tastes :)
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
Thanks Evan,

exactly my point, I don't do things for others when it comes to making Movies or capturing Still images, I do it because I love it, if others happen to like it of course that is nothing short of Fantastic.


What I do for others is projects of charity, and anything in assistance of Humanity and our planet, because I'm also a Philantropist at the CORE, but I would never allow others to dictate what I do or how I express my self in the Arts, that is why I have not done anything so far, and finally at my first Movie, because NOW I FINALLY CAN DO AS I PLEASE... ;)
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This is why I love you Ketch!
 
Just read this: http://www.ketchrossistudios.com/2012/04/16/the-ketch-rossi-tree-of-life-project/#comments

Sounds like a madman just listing some unrealistic things ;D I didn't really understand what this was about. Is this one building you are planning to build or many buildings around the world or what? How have you became so rich that you can do all these things you are doing atm and are planning to do?

One more question... why did you decide to shoot the Rape of a Beauty in 3D? Isn't it drama?
 
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I didn't mean you are a mad man, just that there were so many big plans listed one after another that it sounded like a madman with crazy plans :) English is not my first language and sometimes the meaning of the message might seem different than intended hehe

Ok so it will be one complete new building in Italy for all this stuff? Do you have yet any estimates when it will be opened? How about the theater. Why do you think whole new chain need to be made? Couldn't the old ones be just updated with a new systems like before and why do you think it's not enough?

You seem to be very busy already and I hope you have to for all this :) Anyways, sounds pretty awesome.
 
Thanks for clarifying :) can't wait to see the project coming alive. Hopefully you will update the process (including the construction work etc) in this thread so we can enjoy the ride too :)
 
he is a mad man.. but really entertaining and inspirational for this community! "may the westerlies always blow favorably for the ketch"
 
paul.moore said:
he is a mad man.. but really entertaining and inspirational for this community! "may the westerlies always blow favorably for the ketch"
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What a FIRTS post Paul... ;)

Welcome to REDUSER... A ONE CRAZY community of Filmmakers!!

Thanks for the kind words, love the winds and anything they bring with, which usually are always good things... ;)
 
I first met Ketch online, and he welcomed me to the community with open arms... Then, at the event in Vegas he proudly held up his M8 like a Championship belt. I hear people talk, lord knows people like talking, if I had Ketch as a customer and he praised me as I truly deserved, gave me tons of business, would I not be more inclined to do him a solid? Ketch, don't let anyone online stop you from being you, live life for yourself and if people can't take the heat -- oh well, go get a cooking lesson...

- All my best Paul
 
Paul Ellington said:
I first met Ketch online, and he welcomed me to the community with open arms... Then, at the event in Vegas he proudly held up his M8 like a Championship belt. I hear people talk, lord knows people like talking, if I had Ketch as a customer and he praised me as I truly deserved, gave me tons of business, would I not be more inclined to do him a solid? Ketch, don't let anyone online stop you from being you, live life for yourself and if people can't take the heat -- oh well, go get a cooking lesson...

- All my best Paul
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Thanks for your support and kind words Paul,

I could not EVER change as I was forged by LiFE, and there is nothing else in this world capable of reforging anything which was done my life it self!

I know I do talk a lot and I do thing the unconventional way, and I also aI do have high dreams which I speak of them out loud and some people might just not see them as Dreams but yet as simply insanity or talking about something that can't be done or its impossible, so Mad Man, crazy, Day Dreaming and so on, I have been called all of them behind my back and in front of my face at times with a smile others in an arrogant and rude disrespectful way, Yet "I PERSEVERE" I do not care nor worry about those that don't believe in my Dreams... I Do... And I'll Pursue them till my last days in this Earth, or in what ever other planet I might be... ;)


It wasn't the first time I brought M8 to NAB, did so last year upon my return form the fantastic experience that was the "Epic AMerican Tour" were I shot some of the footage that ended up on the RED EPIC REELL 700 and of course "CARLY" but if you referring at this year's NAB, then here is one shot on Cioni's site form the Reduser Party 4k event... Taken by a Reduser member Josh, thanks again for taking this shots Josh... ;)


Which BTW, there was a great advantage this year for me to have taken M8 to NAB, as RED was so very kind and tucked care of me and brought Epic M8 to Cali for the upgrade so I didn't have to ship it out, and for this I'm so thankful again to Kelly, Nick and the all RED team whom continue to give an INSANE Outstanding GREAT and Unique Customer service!!



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KETCH ROSSi said:
Thanks for your support and kind words Paul,

I could not EVER change as I was forged by LiFE, and there is nothing else in this world capable of reforging anything which was done my life it self!

I know I do talk a lot and I do thing the unconventional way, and I also aI do have high dreams which I speak of them out loud and some people might just not see them as Dreams but yet as simply insanity or talking about something that can't be done or its impossible, so Mad Man, crazy, Day Dreaming and so on, I have been called all of them behind my back and in front of my face at times with a smile others in an arrogant and rude disrespectful way, Yet "I PERSEVERE" I do not care nor worry about those that don't believe in my Dreams... I Do... And I'll Pursue them till my last days in this Earth, or in what ever other planet I might be... ;)
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It's a cultural thing, as well, green is the color of money, genius, and unfortunately envy. I like it loud and bousterous, some people don't... Oh "fu*#" well too bad for them. We all live for our crazy dreams and if you don't talk about them, ask for favors they wont happen and people wont do them for you. Nobody else brought their camera to NAB and asked, so they don't know they wouldn't have had it done, probably not but you know what RED is working overdrive and it wont be that long for the rest of us and it's worth the wait. The nest thing will be people will be upset of the Dragon upgrade, even if you had a beta version or real version now, why not... You were one of the first supporters and also have spent a lot of money on gear...

I hate it when people talk behind your back, do it to my face so I can at least respect the what rests between your legs. And I would never threaten violence just to hear it out loud makes people look like more of a "crazy/madman" (which I think you should never stop being) but if they don't like it too bad... Go whisper and complain to everybody else about stuff a third party cant do anything about because they aren't being told directly... REDUser is different from when I first joined. Just because you get an Epic doesn't mean you're a DP... It takes years.
 
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Paul Ellington said:
It's a cultural thing, as well, green is the color of money, genius, and unfortunately envy. I like it loud and bousterous, some people don't... Of "fu*#" well too bad for them. We all live for our crazy dreams and if you don't talk about them, ask for favors they wont happen and people wont do them for you. Nobody else brought their camera to NAB and asked, so they don't know they wouldn't have had it done, probably not but you know what RED is working overdrive and it wont be that long for the rest of us and it's worth the wait. The nest thing will be people will be upset of the Dragon upgrade, even if you had a beta version or real version now, why not... You were one of the first supporters and also have spent a lot of money on gear...

I hate it when people talk behind your back, do it to my face so I can at least respect the what rests between your legs. And I would never threaten violence just to hear it out loud makes people look like more of a "crazy/madman" (which I think you should never stop being) but if they don't like it too bad... Go whisper and complain to everybody else about stuff a third party cant do anything about because they aren't being told directly... REDUser is different from when I first joined. Just because you get an Epic doesn't mean you're a DP... It takes years.
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Very well said Paul.


The Bamboo just came out of the ground, after years of trying hard to get to the surface it finally got up there, and now its growth will be RAPID and EXPONENTIAL... ;)
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
Very well said Paul.


The Bamboo just came out of the ground, after years of trying hard to get to the surface it finally got up there, and now its growth will be RAPID and EXPONENTIAL... ;)
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I am willing to wait for the growth but like you at times life is and has been challenging, a tumor resting right on the axis of my sight-lines... How ironic.
 
Paul Ellington said:
I am willing to wait for the growth but like you at times life is and has been challenging, a tumor resting right on the axis of my sight-lines... How ironic.
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yes indeed life is ever challenging, and I do more then understand you Paul, as I sure had more then my share, and more continue to come as a direct consequence, but till the very last, we must go on as if we were in the very best of HEALTH... There is no other way!!
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
yes indeed life is ever challenging, and I do more then understand you Paul, as I sure had more then my share, and more continue to come as a direct consequence, but till the very last, we must go on as if we were in the very best of HEALTH... There is no other way!!
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Indeed. Hope to see you again soon Sir.

- PE
 
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