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Ketch + Epic + Canon Mount

Jarred Land said:
Here is a list of Canon lenses that have been programed into the mount/ Epic Brain. These still need to be characterized for fine-tuned autofocus as they all have different motor speeds etc., but they are and will be functional out of the gate when the Canon mount ships.

Image Stabilization is functional on the entire stabilized lens lineup.


Canon EF 16-35/2.8L II USM
Canon EF 24-70/2.8L USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS II USM
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM
Canon EF 85/1.2L II USM
Canon EF 70-200mm 1:4 L USM
Canon 24-105mm 1:4 L IS USM
Canon 17-40mm 1:4 L USM
Canon EF 70-300mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 DO IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 24mm f/2.8
Canon EF 35mm f/2
Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
Canon EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5 USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 60/2.8 Macro USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF 200/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 28-300mm 1:3.5 - 5.6 L IS USM
Canon EF 180/3.5L Macro USM AF
Canon EF 300/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.0L USM AF
Canon EF 300/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/5.6L USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.8L Macro IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM AF
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM AF
Canon EF 500/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 600/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 85/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.0 USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.8 AF SF (Soft Focus)
Canon EF 200/2.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/4.0DO IS USM AF
Canon EF 14/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 24/1.4L II USM AF
Canon EF 15/2.8 Fisheye AF
Canon EF 20/2.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/2.8 AF
Canon EF 50/2.5 Compact-Macro AF
Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Canon 50/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 85/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 20/1.8 EX DG ASP RF AF
Canon 24/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF
Canon 28/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF
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Thanks Jarred & The RED Team for doing this. :-)
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Hmm...I'll have to look into that one. Not concerned about all manual, it's what I am used to anyway. Seems a little on the slow side, I've always tried to keep my lenses 2.8 or above. But as a lens that would probably make most of its use outdoors it should be ok. Like you said, I've covered with the 35mm if need be. Also with the 24-70mm.

Thanks!




Now back to the mount...

I know there's programmable rack focusing between selected points, similar to how the Birger Mount operates. Is there any type of focus tracking capability? Like Set it to someone's face and it keeps it in focus? Obviously it wouldn't work for fast action, but for slow push ins something like that would be a Godsend! I don't always work with an AC.
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Jarek, I also shoot mostly f/2.8, but LOVE to go to f/1.2 and for third I have a set of Master Primes as my personal Glass for my personal Epic, T1.3 ROCKS... ;)

However, you will find out that in most situations, outdoor and for both Portrait, Architecture, and Landscape, & Cityscape alike, you don't want to go under f/5.6 f/4 at most in some cases,
as even so this glass is great wide open, it really shines at f/4 and behind, f/5.6 I have found to be the sweet spot in almost all Still lenses, this is a design thing, while Cine glass like the Master Primes,
can be taken al day long to T1.3 and shoot like that WO still getting the absolute best out of that glass, we are now talking of a 20k+ piece of glass, size and weight, this all accounts for what the glass can do.

So f/3.5 wil give you plenty of shallow DOF while ensuring more detail all around in the immediate BG of your intended subject, yet if the shot is designed to distance as much as possible the non important BG,
you will then have a nice separation with a beautiful Blur.

Also to understand that a Tilt Shift lens, gives you almost infinite control over the focus area, and that you will need to close up that glass in order to receive a good portion of your shot been in focus, and at f/3.5 it
will give you a super shallow DOF, as you T/S and rotate your gears.

All the AF functionality of the RED EPIC ELECTRONIC CANON MOUNT will come in do time, right now I am testing the integrity and strength of the Mount, and I am using NO SUPPORT on any of the glass used,
even on the heavy ones, and the EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS II, even so not too heavy at all, it is still a long lens, and should not be ever used with out support on any of the Canon cameras, yet I have used often without on my 1Ds II,
and I paid the consequences of damaging the mount, on EPIC I don't see this issue, so NO SUPPORT because I can, this RED Canon mount looks and fills like a Solid ROCK... ;)
 
thank you, Sanjin !

thank you, Sanjin !

Sanjin Jukic said:
A possible solution!!!

eos_nik-nt.jpg


The adapter made by

Novoflex with the order code EOS/NIK NT

allows the use of Nikon lenses that do not come with a manual aperture control ring (Nikkor G series).
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I feel comfortable with dumb mounts,and I love my old nikon glass...
 
That look so similar to the Optitek mount....but of course wont work since it needs to be built around the PL mount. unless it is a Cannon to Nikon Adapter? But if you're shooting Nikon lenses....your just best to get the Nikon prolok mount from Jacek.
 
Johnny Friday said:
That look so similar to the Optitek mount....but of course wont work since it needs to be built around the PL mount. unless it is a Cannon to Nikon Adapter? But if you're shooting Nikon lenses....your just best to get the Nikon prolok mount from Jacek.
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Johnny, would you be comfortable using the Optitek Nikon mount as your primary mount for G lenses? Put another way, if you could buy this one or wait who-knows-how-long for the Red smart mount and could save xx$$ by going the Optitek route, would you personally feel comfortable using the Optitek mount for the foreseeable future? Or do you think the Red mount is worth waiting for?

All the above limited to being you can buy one or the other, but probably not both.
 
Justin marx said:
So Jarred, does that mean the canon mount is about a month away? (just planning ahead here with my $$$)
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Yup. Might be a small batch that gets out sooner for the guys that really really need it.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
However, you will find out that in most situations, outdoor and for both Portrait, Architecture, and Landscape, & Cityscape alike, you don't want to go under f/5.6 f/4 at most in some cases,
as even so this glass is great wide open, it really shines at f/4 and behind, f/5.6 I have found to be the sweet spot in almost all Still lenses, this is a design thing, while Cine glass like the Master Primes,
can be taken al day long to T1.3 and shoot like that WO still getting the absolute best out of that glass, we are now talking of a 20k+ piece of glass, size and weight, this all accounts for what the glass can do.
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Makes sense. I guess coming from the 35mm adapter mindset you'd rarely ever stop down that much cause the adapter would begin to fall apart and you'd begin to see the elements inside it. I'd generally need to control my exposure by opening up and using NDs. I guess I gotta rethink a lot of things going to RED!
 
Okay...

AUGUST in Italy and every one in VACATION he he, so I started looking at other options to make an insane EPIC CANON mount shoot...

Looking in to friends all over the Globe, including Dubai, Singapore, Bejing and Hong Kong, Brasil, and os on... But... For this time I have chosen JAPAN...

.... Guys be ready to be F^#@%ing Amazed as I am about to go all out on the CANON Mount test shoot of the century with the help
and collaboration of some serious people, and some serious Top Model Agencies!!

As Kaku Ito, and I get together in Tokyo Japan, to mesmerize you with some of the hottest girls, and crazy High End Fashion ideas ever filmed,
of which I will then also take frame grabs to print for the First EPIC Gallery show in Italy, and possibly other countries... ;)


SO MY GLOBAL TOUR BEGINS... ;)
 
Hehehe, you'll be all sushi(ed)-out Ketch.
 
Jarred Land said:
Here is a list of Canon lenses that have been programed into the mount/ Epic Brain. These still need to be characterized for fine-tuned autofocus as they all have different motor speeds etc., but they are and will be functional out of the gate when the Canon mount ships.

Image Stabilization is functional on the entire stabilized lens lineup.


Canon EF 16-35/2.8L II USM
Canon EF 24-70/2.8L USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS II USM
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM
Canon EF 85/1.2L II USM
Canon EF 70-200mm 1:4 L USM
Canon 24-105mm 1:4 L IS USM
Canon 17-40mm 1:4 L USM
Canon EF 70-300mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 DO IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 24mm f/2.8
Canon EF 35mm f/2
Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
Canon EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5 USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 60/2.8 Macro USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF 200/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 28-300mm 1:3.5 - 5.6 L IS USM
Canon EF 180/3.5L Macro USM AF
Canon EF 300/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.0L USM AF
Canon EF 300/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/5.6L USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.8L Macro IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM AF
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM AF
Canon EF 500/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 600/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 85/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.0 USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.8 AF SF (Soft Focus)
Canon EF 200/2.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/4.0DO IS USM AF
Canon EF 14/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 24/1.4L II USM AF
Canon EF 15/2.8 Fisheye AF
Canon EF 20/2.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/2.8 AF
Canon EF 50/2.5 Compact-Macro AF
Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Canon 50/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 85/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 20/1.8 EX DG ASP RF AF
Canon 24/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF
Canon 28/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF
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How about the Canon EF 50/1.0L? I'm really looking forward to night shooting with this lens on EPIC.
 
We have iris control and focus confirm working on the 50mm 1.0L. That lens motors are so slow to focus because of the way them move the heavy elements Autofocus is almost painful. We won't be wrapping around to characterize that one for autofocus till the rest of the list is done. Manual focus with the 1.0L feels pretty good though with the mechanics, but at the end of the day.. it never really was technically a good lens, the 1.2 (it's replacement) is a bazillion times better.
 
What of lenses not on this list? I take it this list is about AF functionality and such and iris functionality will work on any Canon lens out the gate. Tokina 11-16mm is one of my favorite wides, hope it works with it.
 
a lot of lenses may work that are not on the list, just not be completely accurate till they are characterized. We are doing some 3rd party lenses in tandem to the Canon Branded lenses.
 
I know this is a Canon thread, but are you working on Nikon mount in parallel, or will it be addressed after the Canon mount is finished?
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
That is a great start Jarek,

however since you have the EF 35mm f/1.4L which is a fantastic and super sharp lens , and in fact Canon has not cared to make a version II as of yet as it is such an insane lens,
I would suggest to go for the TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L II which is sharper then the EF 24mm f/1.4L II, and also will give you some super fun perspective possibilities, but this is a MANUAL ONLY lens.

The 24-70 has been talked of a newer II version yet no signs of it, it too is a fantastic zoom, well known for its particular look.
Of course the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II is a zoom that you should absolutely get, as you will discover it offers some pretty fantastic looking images, especially at the long end,
when shooting at the closest focus with a long distance in the BG of your intended subject, its separation and its blurring effect on the BG is just so sweet, I love it, and after the EF 85mm f/1.2L II
it is my favorite glass for Portraiture work, and or extreme close ups with a Canon 500D Close Up lens on it.
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I would respectfully disagree.

Many Canon primes are more than sharp enough to be flawlessly sharp wide open for 2K (in the sense that more sharpness would simply not be seen by that number of pixels).

These include the 24 1.4 II, the 35 1.4, the 50 1.2, 85 1.2 LII (LI less so) and 135 f2. All these lenses look GREAT wide open, with nice bokeh that is not crunchy.

I don't shoot everything wide open, I'll leave that to the DSLR guys, but sometimes shallow depth of field is what you want for the feel of a shot - and really, technical chart shooting and achieving perfect technical sharpness at 5K is in my opinion pointless - the point is does it look nice, does it pop, does it look sharp - all the lenses I mention can provide a solid "yes" as an answer to that question, wide-open. Some set-ups will look way nicer at 1.2, others are more interesting stopped down. The TS 3.6 while very useful for many things, is quite limiting as a general 24 lens. 3.6 is not much DOF separation on a lens this wide - in many cases almost none.

I would also not worry too much about whether you resolve more that 2K. 5K is great for reframing and a major feature release (which you would never shoot on Canon glass anyway). Day to day music videos, TV shows and ads and so on only need 1080p, will only ever be seen in 1080p, is the only thing the present-day client could ever care about, and to sacrifice a nice, thin DOF that looks great for a given shot for some concern about fully resolving 5K resolution is to let your client down.

We do art, in the end. Artistic concerns should trump all.
 
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