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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

It‘s a great camera, but... some odd quality issues on #112

Cooke ?

Cooke ?

Evolve said:
Believe me, it must be contractual. There's no other explanation, as Red has demonstrated a willingness to meet the needs of their customers. On a critical issue like this, the only answer that seems logical to me is that it's verboten through terms of contract with their supplier(s).
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Yep, it can be as you say. This makes everyone looking at Cooke?
It can be, but it's still speculation.
Anyway, this makes me confused about my RED lenses order, have to decide if i have to cancel it or not ... i think that if they have contractual restrictions they should say it.
 
Otto,
I think you are misunderstanding Jarred's words...his statement is not "Arrogant". He has simply stated that it cant be done. If this is important to you, and obviously it is then you should look at other options.
 
So you "can do" the best camera out there from scratch for 10x less than any other manufacturer in the world, but you "can't do" simple metric markings on a lens ?
Hum, sorry, sounds a bit weird...:umm:

But well, I guess you have a good reason for not doing it, even though I can't possibly imagine what it could be.

If it was a price issue, you could just have put both markings on the same ring, I've worked with lenses that had both markings more than once and it was fine. There, problem solved.

If it's contractual, well... strange contract... and certainly not a good idea.

Anyway, too bad for 90% of the world...
 
I've worked with lenses that had both markings more than once and it was fine.
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that´s right, all my old nikon fotolenses have both and few (old) filmlenses too.
but maybe it is not as dramatic as it looks like NOW, i think all are excited and jim and his team won´t leave this topic without a good solution for the "metric" people. indeed, it is quite important for those who ordered the redlenses, no doubt.
 
digitalfx said:
Otto,
I think you are misunderstanding Jarred's words...his statement is not "Arrogant". He has simply stated that it cant be done.
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"it can't be done" can not mean it's impossible. Engeenringwise it's easy. It's a simple aluminum ring which has to be engraved different.

So for me the answer "it can't be done" still is arrogant, because it says: We are not interested to serve the imperial world (which is half of the world). I even wouldn't ask for extra money (as Angenieux/Cooke/Zeiss also don't do).

And I still think that businesswise this is completely stupid (to sell only half of the possible numbers). O.k., stupidness may not be caused by arrogance...
 
Otto said:
Today I lost the illusion, that RED is different. I had this dream now for about 1 year, and suddenly this dream is over - the moment when the first units got delivered and the truth appeared.
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Relax..
 
Otto said:
And I'm shocked about this ARROGANCE - I never felt treated like this by a manufacture, even not by ARRI. And I never ever expect this from RED.
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I truly am sorry you think I am being arrogant.. The honesty hurts sometimes.
if it makes you feel better, i can retract my " we can't " and replace it with " we will think about " and never get it done like some manufactures do.

And to be clear, this is only with our current lenses on the market. The Prime set, which is not released yet, MAY be able to have that as an option.
 
Jarred Land said:
And to be clear, this is only with our current lenses on the market. The Prime set, which is not released yet, MAY be able to have that as an option.
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Hi Jarred,

With T stops as well I hope.

Stephen
 
walk a mile on our shoes

walk a mile on our shoes

rgdfilmsRED said:
Relax..
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ok but... try to imagine yourself unpacking your long awaited $8,500.00 RED lens just to discover it's only metrics marked, and that you have no other option.
Ready2roll was nearly going to experience this (in a reverse way)
 
Jarred Land said:
if it makes you feel better, i can retract my " we can't " and replace it with " we will think about " and never get it done like some manufactures do.
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It realy makes me feel MUCH better!
 
I wasn't telling Ready2roll to relax. I was telling Otto because he was being a little over-dramatic. I understand everyones' frustration about the lenses right now and it sucks. But hey, Red is new, cut them a little slack.. I'm sure they have their reasons behind everything.
 
Valde said:
ok but... try to imagine yourself unpacking your long awaited $8,500.00 RED lens just to discover it's only metrics marked, and that you have no other option.
Ready2roll was nearly going to experience this (in a reverse way)
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Could he not see in the photos that it is only marked in feet.
http://www.red.com/store/show_by_tags/Lenses

Usually before I order something, I investigate exactly what I am ordering. A quick call to Red would have confirmed this. So this shouldnt have been a total surprise.

Remember this is a $6500 lens...the Cooke equivalent is 9X the price.
 
big lebowski said:
Major bummer! Major disappointment! :ranting2:

And I thought you listened to your customers.

So, what third party will step in to fix this disappointment by producing a replacement scale ring or some kind of adhesive scales?
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You guys in Europe and the rest of the world have got to get a grip. Buy a bit of chart tape...take a tape measure and mark the lens yourself...no big deal. A roll is a Euro or two at any art store. We do it all the time on the low end of the scale to get more accurate markings.

Also in regards to the handles....I've posted before on this issue. HOLD ONTO THE MATTE BOX LIKE ALL OTHER PROFESSIONAL OPERATORS!!!!
 
Valde said:
try to imagine yourself unpacking your long awaited $8,500.00 RED lens just to discover it's only metrics marked, and that you have no other option.
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I own a tape measure that has both metric and imperial, so it is not a problem. It is very cheap to buy a tape measure that has both. You are buying Red lenses because you want to save money, so add a $20 metric/imperial tape measure and start shooting.
 
Where I come from and what I've been taught is to overcome and adapt. I don't believe if they were only in Metric we would have such a problem, we would just measure like we have to anyway..... But then again maybe you should just wait for the Primes which will probably have both or just metric to make you all feel better.
 
This whole thing is not arrogant, inappropriate or direspectful, it is just UNFORTUNATE, simply enough.

there must be reasons why RED can't offer the option of metric or imperial, or better yet, and in keeping with the company's innovative spirit, both. And the fact they are not revealing the reason why must be respected as well. Truth is, measuring scales are a weird and divisive thing, sometimes more so than politics among people around the world :-) I've witnessed this first hand. I was a consultant for some companies in the scuba diving world and it always amazed me how they would inccur massive R&D budgets to design diving computers that were either metric or imperial, but not both, thus negating the feasibility to manufacture the product just once and sell it everywhere. And all that took was a 1 mm x 1 mm (.025 inch x .025 inch) chip that would do the x 3.28 multiplication! But even so, it took those companies years and years to accept that, on both sides of the camp...

I was born in a metric country and upon arriving in the US had to learn the clunky imperial system, and now I don't even really know which one is easier for me to use. But for most people, there's a common sense, a logic, a "of course it has to be this way" mentality when it comes to scales that makes it hard for them to accept, understand or want to learn and cope with the other system. That's just the way it is and for better or worse, I really hate to see that some people who were going to buy the RED lenses will turn away because of the inability to have a scale they have every right to expect as well. I for one would love to see RED selling as many of ALL of their products as possible, and it is a pity that they might be somewhat hindered by something that, though acceptably not solvable at the present time, is truly a minor "feat" of design and engineering when compared to anything else the company has achieved. But at least you know inequivocably what to expect...
 
To all you guys in imperial wonderland :

Please don't all get arrogant at the same time…
Save some of that arrogance for tomorrow.

There is no logical reason for not providing metric, there maybe some other reasons, but walk a mile in our shoes before posting… PLEASE
 
ludmux said:
if you have unsharp pictures - maybe the lens had imperial markings and the assistant didn´t knew it.
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If your focus puller can't tell the difference between Imperial and Metric...you've got a serious fuc*ing problem.

Go get some Angen#@*&%^...French lenses.
 
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