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It‘s a great camera, but... some odd quality issues on #112

red1225 I will jump on the pile and say that you act rude and arrogant in this thread towards the French and Mike Prevette (who I personally don't know). Handheld setups are a very individual thing for every operator and there's no "one way only" to go. It depends as much on the operator as it does on the particular camera and type of lens used - balance.

Chill and inform of us of your real name please so we know who not to hire when we're shooting in Brooklyn. No one likes arrogant know-it-alls.

Have a happy and productive New Year!
 
florianstadler.com said:
red1225 I will jump on the pile and say that you act rude and arrogant in this thread towards the French and Mike Prevette (who I personally don't know). Handheld setups are a very individual thing for every operator and there's no "one way only" to go. It depends as much on the operator as it does on the particular camera and type of lens used - balance.

Chill and inform of us of your real name please so we know who not to hire when we're shooting in Brooklyn. No one likes arrogant know-it-alls.

Have a happy and productive New Year!
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This really IS a pile on post. I mean after all, the man DID apologize just in case he offended any french people with his earlier post. Which I don't really think he did.
 
If you are going to hold the matte-box for handheld support, I wouldn't do it with the new generation of matte-boxes coming out. Arri would be a must for this as they are built to last and still I would not recommend it.Being a NY based rental house, I see the equipment coming back from jobs and I now understand how all the screws are loose and the swing away brackets are developing play, etc... and I am constantly repairing them to keep them up to par. But I cannot tell the user what to do. Just comes with the territory. If you want to keep your stuff new, do not rent them. As far as the Metric scales, try Century Optics (Schneider) as they rehouse lenses and probably can be done as a group buy? just my 2 cents.
 
OK...I can tell I'm not welcome here.

No surprises with my package ok Jarred.
 
This thread started with "stainless steel versus aluminium7075" pl mount issue. I am not a Chemist so i was concern about that one a bit. I looked on internet for some answers. Thats what i found so far.

www.alcoa.com/mill_products/catalog/pdf/alloy7075techsheet.pdf
"...Alloy 7075 sheet and plate products have application throughout aircraft and aerospace structures where a combination of high strength with moderate toughness and corrosion resistance are required..."

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/7075_aluminum
"...7075 is widely used for construction of aircraft structures, such as wings and fuselages. Its strength and light weight are also desirable in other fields. Rock climbing equipment and bicycle components are commonly made from 7075 aluminum alloy..."

www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/aluminfo.php
"...7075 This is one of the highest strength aluminum alloys available. Its strength-to weight ratio is excellent and it is ideally used for highly stressed parts(...).Applications: Used where highest strength is needed..."

Maybe Aluminum 7075 its not as bad as thought first. Can anybody (RED?) tell me a little bit more about it, please? As far as i know all high end cameras use stainless steel mounts. Why did u guys pick 7075?

thanks a lot
daniel
 
I had initially assumed the mount would be stainless steel. But I then I changed my mind with some demonstrations....

The decision was based on strength, weight and change over temperature. I saw tests with the 7075 that convinced me it was the right choice. While technical testing was done, the one that sold me was Jarred hanging from the end of a 4' steel bar that was attached to the lens mount, which was attached to the camera... and swinging from it. No change in the mount. None. Then temperature testing showed incredible stability of the mount. I think it is the way that the mount was designed... with 7075 in mind, that allows it to work so well.

The weight savings is tremendous over stainless steel. But the decision was based on the performance of the 7075 in this mount.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
the one that sold me was Jarred hanging from the end of a 4' steel bar that was attached to the lens mount, which was attached to the camera... and swinging from it.

Jim
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oh boy here we go....
 
Wow. That was fast. Thank you Jim very much. Strong it must be. Aircraft wings use aluminum 7075. Note for dolly grips: try not to cross 770MPH speed. At that point camera will loose its warranty.
 
Jarred you are a shaved Ape, we all know it :D
 
6'7" Tarzan... you should have heard the sounds he was making... scared all of us! He tried to take his shirt off, but Matt threatened to quit...

Jim
 
I still don't get the reason behind the "we just can't do it" for the metric scales.

RED is supposed to be able to move mountains! :tongue:

Maybe it is because the lenses are already produced?
Then why didn't you listen to your customers in the first place?
It was first mentioned on this forum back in April 2007:

Evin Grant said:
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Are the lenses marked in imperial units (feet) only, or is there a metric option.

Stephen
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That's a good point. I don't know if there will be a metric version or not. It would seem silly not to though seeing how much of the world works in metric.
I doubt they will put both on the lens though, too hard to read in fast moving situations.
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And it was requested many times later on this forum and at IBC.

Or is it because of some licensing contract? Are you not allowed to sell the lenses with metric scales?

Please tell us the reason behind all this. We simply don't understand.

Jarred, you jokingly asked what we would be ready to pay for metric scales. I really don't see why we should pay for a feature which would cost you almost nothing if you had thought of it right from the start. Nevertheless, I'd be ready to pay an additional $200.

And please, imperial forum members, don't bash on us! Try to walk in our shoes for a moment. Please!
 
Apehanger!

Apehanger!

Jarred Land said:
damn right.
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Jim,

So not only the mount but the camera body took the wight of Jarred on a 4' bar without permanent deflection? That is outstanding!

Just for the record, if there is anything wrong, and I do not expect it, with my order when I receive it (kneeling, praying), I will contact customer care at RED first before posting on the forum. Then, and only then, would I drop any bombs on the forum.

Just seems like the right thing to do give the level of communication from the RED team.
 
Jannard said:
I had initially assumed the mount would be stainless steel. But I then I changed my mind with some demonstrations....

The decision was based on strength, weight and change over temperature. I saw tests with the 7075 that convinced me it was the right choice. While technical testing was done, the one that sold me was Jarred hanging from the end of a 4' steel bar that was attached to the lens mount, which was attached to the camera... and swinging from it. No change in the mount. None. Then temperature testing showed incredible stability of the mount. I think it is the way that the mount was designed... with 7075 in mind, that allows it to work so well.

The weight savings is tremendous over stainless steel. But the decision was based on the performance of the 7075 in this mount.

Jim
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Thank you for getting this back on track Jim.

Shit is going to happen. Red's a small company with a small crew from what we can tell. I think Jim has a lot of character to come on here and admit a problem and remedy it quickly. If that wasn't the case, I probably would have canceled my order if I read of enough reports of bad QC. Does it excuse mistakes? Maybe not, but we have to look at this realistically. This is professional gear, yes. It's also affordable professional gear and there are going to be some compromises. Red has made what appears to be a remarkable camera. They have also made some mistakes along the way that they would love to have back. But have they hid from their customer base and hoped people would accept the mistakes alongside the many positive things? No, they keep improving the camera, replacing parts, losing money (most likely) with the goal of eventually getting this thing to be the most bang for your buck in the movie business.

The original poster has articulated his issues well and Red has jumped in to make sure he is eventually happy. You don't have to be a fanboy of the company to appreciate the customer service that is being displayed.

As for the metrics issue - I think it is fair for those who this affects to raise the issue and ask about future implementation. It is not fair to be harsh to Jarred about this. He gave the best answer he could at this time. They are listening, but they may be in a position where they can't do anything about it for certain Red lenses. That's a decision that was made, and quite honestly no one is holding a gun to anyone's head saying you have to buy Red lenses. You can counter with the argument that you want affordable lenses and Red is all about affordable, but at the same time they have no obligation to implement every feature we want. They can listen and the do what makes sense for them.

Now that production is ramping up again for Red and the holidays are past, let's cut Red some slack and assume QC will get better. If it doesn't, Jim will probably have to face more questions about this, but for now let's be optimistic about the process moving forward.

Happy New Year everyone! Things can get heated in here sometimes, and maybe it's just passion for what we do. Hopefully no one takes things too seriously in these debates and it never gets truly personal. Let's hope for a productive 2008 in this industry, especially with an arsenal of Red cameras hitting the market.

Steve
 
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