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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Incredible...

John,

I tried out the new Epic last week. I think you're going to be very happy with it. I'm sure you'll find your concerns have been addressed and that you will be able to configure the camera to your liking.
 
S T R E T C H said:
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Stereo shotgun mic/no-rod lens support/handle/shouldermount w/ accessory mounting capabilities?:mellow:
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I'm not sure that would be the best place for a mic, just under the lens ?
My guess would be, maybe a zoom motor ? I mean, they just added a follow focus, so that would make sense...
 
Felix Knöchel said:
I think it's because of the horsepower. Scarlet doesn't have the hardware to process as much data with the FF sensor. If it had, it would be as expensive as an Epic, basically be an Epic.

The Scarlet can do 120fps with the smaller 2/3 chip.

Speculations are also subject to change :gnorsi:
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Sensor size has nothing to do with it. 9 million pixels (3k) is nine million pixels no matter what their size, squeeze them onto a 2/3" sensor or spread them out over a 645 sensor, it's the same amount of data.

The difference comes from the fact that the FF camera and Epic cameras record at a much higher bitrate (RC100 and higher vs RC42). Also doesn't the monstro record 14-bit color vs the 12 bit of the mysterium x?

Now, as for why a 12-bit RC42 120fps mode couldn't be offered on the FF Scarlet (or possibly something crazy like 500fps on the Epics, I couldn't tell you.

Now,
 
Lee Saxon said:
Sensor size has nothing to do with it. 9 million pixels (3k) is nine million pixels no matter what their size, squeeze them onto a 2/3" sensor or spread them out over a 645 sensor, it's the same amount of data.

The difference comes from the fact that the FF camera and Epic cameras record at a much higher bitrate (RC100 and higher vs RC42). Also doesn't the monstro record 14-bit color vs the 12 bit of the mysterium x?

Now, as for why a 12-bit RC42 120fps mode couldn't be offered on the FF Scarlet (or possibly something crazy like 500fps on the Epics, I couldn't tell you.

Now,
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the reason for the higher bit rate is the larger number of pixels. more pixels = more data = higher bit rate is needed to represent it. quite simple.
 
Dear RED chief,

I´m sorry to insist on my european question but, should I expect european Scarlet cameras during this year? On this info depends a plan to visit the USA until December, in order to buy a Scarlet, among other things.

I don´t want your answer now, but could tell me if the end of the month info will clarify this issue?

Thanks very much.
Regards.
 
Lee Saxon said:
Sensor size has nothing to do with it. 9 million pixels (3k) is nine million pixels no matter what their size, squeeze them onto a 2/3" sensor or spread them out over a 645 sensor, it's the same amount of data.

The difference comes from the fact that the FF camera and Epic cameras record at a much higher bitrate (RC100 and higher vs RC42). .

Now,
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I don't think RC100 vs RC42 is the same across all possible shooting sizes.

If you shoot highspeed 6k or 24fps 3k on an epic you'll be using RC100 and RC42 respectively. Or at least that's my prection.
 
Lee Saxon said:
Now, as for why a 12-bit RC42 120fps mode couldn't be offered on the FF Scarlet (or possibly something crazy like 500fps on the Epics, I couldn't tell you.
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Yes, at a first look it seems to be a bit illogical, 2/3-Scarletts can do 3k at 120fps, bigger scarletts not...

But if you look closer, there comes a explaination for that. It's just because the REDs don't use lame tricks like line-skip to do the lower resolutions. From what i've read, they will use all avaiable pixels even if you record in lower resolution, they will do real downscaling.

So, what does that mean? A S35 or FF35 will have to process alot more data compared to a 2/3-Scarlett when you record 3k with it. This needs more power, produces more heat (thats why epics get a more powerful cooling-solution) but also gives you better image-quality.

Well, the higher bitrates do need more processing-power too.

So, atleast, thats what i think. ;)

BTW, awesome pics. RED is just amazing. I really love what you guys are doing here.
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
Yes, at a first look it seems to be a bit illogical, 2/3-Scarletts can do 3k at 120fps, bigger scarletts not...

But if you look closer, there comes a explaination for that. It's just because the REDs don't use lame tricks like line-skip to do the lower resolutions. From what i've read, they will use all avaiable pixels even if you record in lower resolution, they will do real downscaling.

So, what does that mean? A S35 or FF35 will have to process alot more data compared to a 2/3-Scarlett when you record 3k with it. This needs more power, produces more heat (thats why epics get a more powerful cooling-solution) but also gives you better image-quality.

Well, the higher bitrates do need more processing-power too.

So, atleast, thats what i think. ;)

BTW, awesome pics. RED is just amazing. I really love what you guys are doing here.
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That's mostly incorrect.

The only scaling that has been proposed so far is full frame -> 1080p. If you record 3k it's just cropping the sensor and in effect behaving exactly like a 2/3" scarlet.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
That's mostly incorrect.

The only scaling that has been proposed so far is full frame -> 1080p. If you record 3k it's just cropping the sensor and in effect behaving exactly like a 2/3" scarlet.
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Just to make it clear for him:

The RED cameras crop the lower resolution from the center of the sensor and don't line skip to achieve the lowered resolution (and higher frame rate).
 
Pietro - this is only true for the current RED ONE camera. Both Epic and Scarlet will offer full sensor down-scale to 1080P as well as sensor-crop for RAW recording at lower-res and/or higher speeds. Any functionality beyond that is not confirmed yet...
 
REDneck said:
the reason for the higher bit rate is the larger number of pixels. more pixels = more data = higher bit rate is needed to represent it. quite simple.
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While it's true that the larger your image is the more data you need to get decent quality, that's not the main variable. The amount of compression used is.

Case in point, R1 can shoot the same resolution at 3 different bit rates - or you could call them 'compression levels' or 'quality levels' - 28, 36, and 42 MB/s.

Gavin Greenwalt said:
If you shoot highspeed 6k or 24fps 3k on an epic you'll be using RC100 and RC42 respectively. Or at least that's my prection.
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Then why does the 2/3" Scarlet seems to be much faster than the S35 Scarlet at relatively comparable resolutions (3K 120fps vs 2K 72fps)?

I doubt the S35 has less than half the throughput of the 2/3" (5K RC80 @ 30fps might actually be MORE data than 3K RC42 @ 120fps, it's certainly not half as much!).

I think the answer is that the 2/3" Scarlet is shooting 3K @ RC42 and the S35 Scarlet is shooting 2K @ RC80.

Another way of looking at it : The Epic FF35 only shoots 3K at 2.25x the speed it shoots 6K, but 3K is exponentially less data than 6K. I'm surprised it's only 2.25x faster even at the SAME bit rate. If bit rate was being turned waaaaaaay down from RC225 to RC42, I would expect Epic to shoot 3K MUCH faster.

The point I was making is, what could the S35 Scarlet do if you turned it down to RC42? Equal or even beat the 2/3" Scarlet? I'd be really surprised if this wasn't addressed.
 
Nils Ruinet said:
I'm not sure that would be the best place for a mic, just under the lens ?
My guess would be, maybe a zoom motor ? I mean, they just added a follow focus, so that would make sense...
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I was just spit-ballin' & speculatin' on what the REDGun is. The close up on the render does seem to show red & white audio connections going from the RG to the stereo inputs on the brain. Not disagreeing just pointing out what I see + REDGun sounds like some crazy new fangled multipurpose shotgun mic, but, then again, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last. A zoom motor would be cool as hell though.
 
a new "Fly by wire" zoom system was talked about a lot in February March but things change... I think it looks like an ion cannon for disabling other manufactures cameras.
(Naysayers aside), I'll bet RED gets a kick out of all this conjecture... but if we cant guess
then its likely neither can SONY, etc...

We have 20 days until Halloween. All should be pretty clear by then...
 
Luis Filipe Cunha said:
Dear RED chief,

I´m sorry to insist on my european question but, should I expect european Scarlet cameras during this year? On this info depends a plan to visit the USA until December, in order to buy a Scarlet, among other things.

I don´t want your answer now, but could tell me if the end of the month info will clarify this issue?
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Why would being European be any different? All the cameras are the same (there's no different models for different countries or regions), and although early on it was said that the Scarlets would be sold at other retailers (like B&H), at the moment it looks like all cameras will be sold directly from RED like the RED ONE was...
 
Stephen Gentle said:
Why would being European be any different? All the cameras are the same (there's no different models for different countries or regions), and although early on it was said that the Scarlets would be sold at other retailers (like B&H), at the moment it looks like all cameras will be sold directly from RED like the RED ONE was...
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Europe's 1080P is based on 50Hz PAL systems (50i / 25P), North America's NTSC is based on 60Hz systems (60i / 30P). RED ONE can of course film both and there is no reason to think Epic & Scarlet would be any different...

:devil: Peter
 
Would be great to have DSLR style AF with a focus motor interfacing intelligently with the RPP's. Plus traditional manual pulls with the follow focus. And touch screen AF too for situations when it's the right tool.

This must be what they are up too, because it would be AWESOME!
 
JoshBertrand said:
Would be great to have DSLR style AF with a focus motor interfacing intelligently with the RPP's. Plus traditional manual pulls with the follow focus. And touch screen AF too for situations when it's the right tool.

This must be what they are up too, because it would be AWESOME!
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I agree, to truly compete with a Canon 1DsMIII in the still arena it would need to have serious AF abilities. Then it would blow everything away (as if it doesn't already).
 
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