In development...

[David Rasberry]

I can think of a lot of unconventional creative uses for hires AND hi frame rates.

 

[Wayne D]

I can better understand the viability of an ultra-high resolution still camera, but I just don't know how more resolution at this stage of viewing is going to justify the extra expense for having that higher resolution moving image. 5k sounds pretty cutting edge to me. Do we really WANT to see the edge of a pore on an actor's skin?

better to have it and not want it than want it and not have it.....

 

[Pierce Cook]

Hey Jim - to confirm, the RED ONE can be upgraded to the Mysterium X, too, yes? I assume there will be an upgrade cost for that?

Congrats on everything again and again! Exciting times.

 

[Jannard]

Hey Jim - to confirm, the RED ONE can be upgraded to the Mysterium X, too, yes? I assume there will be an upgrade cost for that?

Congrats on everything again and again! Exciting times.

Yes. There is an upgrade path for RED ONE to Mysterium-X for a cost (TBD). There is also an upgrade path to Mysterium-Monstro for a cost.

Jim

 

[Pierce Cook]

Yes. There is an upgrade path for RED ONE to Mysterium-X for a cost (TBD). There is also an upgrade path to Mysterium-Monstro for a cost.

Jim

I was about to edit my post and ask if there was an upgrade to Monstro for RED ONE. You beat me to it.

This is AWESOME. I can't sleep, but you guys are (well programmed) machines.

 

[David Rasberry]

The idea of on camera compressed RAW for motion was a RED invention... and turning out to be one of our best.

Jim

Hats off to the guys that work out the algorithms for that stuff. We used to have a master bitslinger on staff that wrote code for scalers and flat screen display drivers in a previous incarnation. Incredibly complex, but probably simple by comparison to what your team has achieved with Red.

 

[Brian D. Goff]

The primary advantage to RED is REDCODE. Compressed RAW at over 23.976 fps. This is a core invention of RED that's full effects have not been seen yet.

The secondary advantage of RED is our sensor program. Some could argue that this is number one.

Mysterium "Monstro" is a sensor program that pushes the envelope past anything on the horizon. It will go into Epic, and another camera aimed squarely at the DSLR market. Epic ships with Mysterium-X and has a free upgrade to Monstro.

Scarlet has been talked about extensively. It is a 3K, 120fps camera with a built-in 8X zoom that starts at 28mm (full frame still 35mm) wide angle. The T-stop will be "at least" as published.

We have a couple of other "tricks up our sleeves". The important message is that we are just getting started.

Jim

In other words, you're aiming at world domination:usd:
Boy am I glad I'm not making cameras - just please don't creat a RED-steadicam - I have a family to feed:usd:

 

[Pierce Cook]

Hats off to the guys that work out the algorithms for that stuff. We used to have a master bitslinger on staff that wrote code for scalers and flat screen display drivers in a previous incarnation. Incredibly complex, but probably simple by comparison to what your team has achieved with Red.

In addition, before I finally step away for the night:

How is it that you guys are rocking the sensors like this? I know there are some great minds at work here, but why did no one else follow through with the tech the way you guys are, I wonder...

Regardless, you guys did it. Rock.

 

[Jonas Nyström]

Future cameras will shoot ultra-high resolution stills and motion...

Jim

That's where we are heading! Good for me as I do both still and motion...

 

[Ido Karilla]

Thank you Jim for a future worth living for!!

P.S

What about spreding this enthusiasim to your Apple partners?

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Yes. There is an upgrade path for RED ONE to Mysterium-X for a cost (TBD). There is also an upgrade path to Mysterium-Monstro for a cost.

Jim

Also Jim wrote on the another forum that:

"Epic has an interchangeable sensor. The 1st upgrade to our 16 bit sensor is free."

Nobody can compete with RED in all industry for the next 10 years.

 

[Bruce Allen]

Dear Jim

On the workflow thing... guess I'd better stop whining and sign up for the SDK to see if I can help write some stuff to help make this Avid workflow better.

Premiere kinda sucks for pro cinema stuff (try doing double-system sound or exporting OMFs regularly). It's not a top-grade offline or finishing tool yet. So I'm not sure why RED gave it higher priority than Avid (you must have helped them out - there's no way that RED just gave Adobe the SDK).

I really, really hope the Avid people didn't say anything to you to piss them off. Please forgive them. They really do have the best narrative editing package by far, with the greatest trained talent base.

On the RAW thing... I bear no ill will and am probably misinformed. I did look things up and what I found coincided roughly with my foggy memory of public announcements:
- Silicon Imaging announced April 17, 2006 that they were "using Cineform RAW".
- In an interview with Ted on April 14, 2006
http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/04/hd4nds-exclusive-ted-schilowitz-now
...he said that "codec development is coming on strong - we won't have specifics because we don't want to commit to what is still in development"

I have no idea of the internal workings of your company or who did RAW first. Just trying to point out that REDCODE-ness isn't the #1 thing that sells RED, it's all the other awesome things that do that job.

I'm sure all your future competitors will do compressed RAW too. Wavelet image compression is a textbook computer science subject. I read "Wavelets for computer graphics" in 3rd year. Doing it to a sequence of RAW data frames isn't that revolutionary.

So I wouldn't bank on that as a major competitive advantage unless you guys had tighter, better software support and workflow than the other guys.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Henrik Andersson]

The upgrade

The upgrade

Yes. There is an upgrade path for RED ONE to Mysterium-X for a cost (TBD). There is also an upgrade path to Mysterium-Monstro for a cost.

Jim

Will the upgrade for the RedOne give the same frame rates as the Epic with the same sensor?

For instance if the Epic support 5k at 100fps continuously, will the RedOne with MysteriumX upgrade also support 100fps at 5k? and with the same amount of data per minute for the same storage solution?

/Henrik

 

[Benni Diez]

Do we really WANT to see the edge of a pore on an actor's skin?

We will. Remember when HD was just nerd talk. So many people stated that nobody needs higher resolution in TV, because they hadn't really experienced the advantage of a sharper image. But now, once you've watched your share of HD broadcasts or Blurays, you would never say: Oh, that was ok, but now I'll get back to SD, see ya...

Same thing will happen to cinema very soon: Increasing numbers of Imax movie screenings. Most of them blown up, but still with unmatched clarity. And 'Joker: The Movie' showed that it IS a superior experience when you go super-hi-res.

People notice the difference. And once they do, they start to like it. And then they get used to it. And then they'll want more. Cinemas are going digital, and more and more of them even 4k. And once movies get the full 4k treatment from shoot to projection, and people get used to it, you can even kiss HD goodbye (at least on the big screen).

It's those technological advantages that brought us what we have today. Otherwise we'd still watch jumpy, scratchy B/W movies with a piano player in front of the screen.

Do we need it? Not necessarily. A good story is a good story. But we want it. And we'll want more. Always. I won't even stress the whole 3D-stereo thing...
I remember when HDTV first came up as inside news, I started to get really enthusiastic about it. But around me people were like: Higher reso-what? And what does it? Why should I pay money for that?

2ndly: The film industry, now more than ever, heavily relies on advantages in terms of image clarity and the immersive experience of a movie theater. With HD invading our living rooms, there's even less reason to go out and buy a movie ticket (besides the fact that we get so many shitty movies that I wouldn't even want to watch them if they gave me money). So the next step is definitely 4k as a standard. And a few years later it will be 8k, and then 16k.

And why not? As long as they don't trade off other stuff like color clarity, dynamic range, compression, workflow. But RED is on a very balanced path here. And 5k is totally fine, because after debayering and stuff we end up with tight 4k anyway.
But then again, let's rest at 5-6k for a while then and concentrate on frame rates, HDR, codec, workflow and my precious z-channel, will ya!

 

[Jason Ing]

Very cool. And very curious to see Red's SLR.

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Great, bring it on, Jim. But, I still believe that customer service is your biggest USP :biggrin:

 

[RicanJoe]

I bet the DSLR will shoot motion at a max resolution of 1080p, otherwise it would compete with Scarlet. No?

 

[Casey Green]

Very cool news about the DSLR Camera.

I still think, with the newer Cameras available now from Sony, JVC, and Canon that have interchangeable lenses (such as the EX3), it would be a great surprise if SCARLET turned out to have that capability. (B4 or what have you)

If the price were to go up somewhat, I think there would be a market for it...

 

[Michael Brennan]

.... It will go into Epic, and another camera aimed squarely at the DSLR market.

Jim

Maybe my guess two years ago wasn't that far off the mark, namely that an important part of REDs future was launching a mass market product firstly by creating a brand awareness through a high profile movie camera.

Just think how well a Panavision or Arri badged DSLR would have sold in particular quarters.

I reasoned that a mass market funky design RED camera product would be sold through the Oakley distribution pipe.

Looking at the success of red there will be a Q forming to distribute a RED DSLR.

Mike Brennan

 

[Stephen Williams]

I bet the DSLR will shoot motion at a max resolution of 1080p, otherwise it would compete with Scarlet. No?

Hi,

From the last renders I saw, Scarlet does actually resemble a DSLR.

Stephen