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IMS Installed Finally!!!

Anyone from Red,

What is the warranty status of this mount? I really want to get one of these IMS mounts coz it seems like a great piece of equipment that fits red philosophy perfectly and also my budget - renting pl lenses and owning a great selection of nikon lenses...but still can't imagine myself voiding the warranty after paying all that pesos for a camera...
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
AT some point financially it might be more profitable just to buy a second REDONE body.
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The last I checked, the realistic wait list is still 6 months to 1 year for a new Red One body.

Plus, a Red One body by itself doesn't solve the problem. The point is to be able to switch between lenses just as quickly as you would on a DSLR. Think reality TV. For it to be that quick, I'd have to buy a body *and* the other $15000 worth of kit to have 2 fully functioning Red systems... one with the Birger Mount, one with the IMS mount. Then it would be as quick. That's going to be over $30k by the time I'm done.

Versus $3-5k for custom machining.

-Thor
 
Harky said:
And how do you adjust the back focus on the IMS mount?
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Shims. But once it's locked in, it's supposedly REALLY locked in, for all mounts across the IMS system.

-Thor
 
Thor Wixom said:
Shims. But once it's locked in, it's supposedly REALLY locked in, for all mounts across the IMS system.

-Thor
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{EDIT: I don't disagree with shims. I disagree with having an extra mounting surface}
Which is physically impossible if you think about how the mount works. You have FOUR removable possibly variable surfaces now as apposed to TWO with a standard PL mount. There is no way in hell they will maintain over heavy use.

This thing has no place on pro-shoots or rental bodies, no matter how cool it is.

IMHO of course.
 
Mike Prevette said:
Which is physically impossible if you think about how the mount works. You have FOUR removable possibly variable surfaces now as apposed to TWO with a standard PL mount. There is no way in hell they will maintain over heavy use.

This thing has no place on pro-shoots or rental bodies, no matter how cool it is.

IMHO of course.
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I disagree.. but not with your honest opinion:)
just with it not having a place on pro-shoots.

Shims have a home in all film cameras.
The backfocus is checked on every prep floor.
So really, there is nothing new here in that regards... Its just not as "EASY" to correct the backfocus unless your use to using shims.

Right now.. there are ZERO options (other than ims) to throw panny glass on red unless you have a custom mount..
there is ZERO chance of quickly changing from a zeiss zf to a zeiss Master.
so this is a very professional tool imho.

I believe the shims take place in the individual mounts (not the actual red attatched ims)
 
Oh I wasn't having an issue with shims. I totally agree with shims, but that isn't all there is to the IMS mount. It has a bayonet mount system to seat the universal mounts to the camera. That doubles the chances of mounting error. Shims are not the problem, it's having 4 mounting surfaces that have to be perfect that's the problem. Not a microscopic piece of schmutz between them is going to be damn near impossible in field use, especially if you swap mounts in the field and not before the prep.
 
I've just got back from München-Ottobrunn wherea is P+S Technik headquarters.

There my IMS on RED was collimated.

Now it is a night with moon light here in Vienna and I took my longest zoom Sigma 50-500mm F4.0-6.3 APO + 2x extender that alltogether becomes 100-1000mm F8 with Canon EF mount.

Here below are the results.

IMS_REDSigma100-1000mm.jpg

Sigma 50-500mm F4-63 APO DG + 2x extender = 100-1000mm F8 with IMS on RED.

IMS_RED_MOON_Sigma50-500_10extn2.jpg

Moon, Vienna 23:31 PM, Thursday August 14, 2008.
Metadata: ISO 250. Kelvin 4344. Without any CC.

MOON 2K h264 video for download 11.5 MB (click to download)>>>
 
The Third Man said:
I've just got back from München-Ottobrunn wherea is P+S Technik headquarters.

There my IMS on RED was collimated.

Now it is a night with moon light here in Vienna and I took my longest zoom Sigma 50-500mm F4-63 APO + 2x extender that alltogether becomes 100-1000mm F8 with Canon EF mount.

Here below are the results.
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Very nice.

Edit: How do you adjust critical focus on the damn thing? From the video I can see that Vinten head is not doing too well, does it?
 
P+S really do know what they're doing. I doubt they'd make or market this mount if they didn't feel it was capable of professional quality results, dayin and day out. The PL mount has proven to be a very robust interface and I'm sure with a small about of care and attention to detail (dirt/dust) successful mount changing can be done at will when shooting. I'm certainly considering this as soon as Red gives it the thumbs up. Then again, my warranty is up in on Dec. 31st anyway.
 
I have been renting the PS Technik mini 35 adapters for a few years now and they have the IMS system. I cannot believe how they hold up. I have not had any depth issues with any of them and my mini 35's go out every week.
 
It seems like P&S should be able to put one of these little receivers for the i-cable connector on the back of their mount so it lines up with the hole in the Red body. It doesn't need any wires in it, just a place to attach the cable and keep it from getting lost in the body.

I forget what this connector is called, but I am sure you can get this little plastic piece and glue it on the back of the IMS mount. You would need to cut a small hole in the shims. How hard would that be?

Red and IMS, please work something out about this mount. I really want to get one.


Mahalo,
Dusty
 
Okay so NOW i am confused,
Birger
IMS
ET
Alesniak
Who to go for, more importantly who can ship a red approved one by the end of september.
I am loving the potential of IMS, but will need Birgers controls for my EF's
Tricky one.
Dont want to have a red body without a mountable lens, pretty expensive doorstop.
 
Mizael,

Right now the only one approved is the Birger, but that one is not yet shipping.

The only one actually shipping is the IMS, but that voids your warranty.

The only one shipping and not voiding your warranty is the Red Nikon mount, and that one is only for Nikon and a dumb mount.

The Birger is supposed to start shipping next week, but then again that is pretty much what has been said since November or so.

So, welcome to the exciting world of third party mounts for the RED one ;)


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Third Man, wasnt it a bit scary to use such a long lens without support? (And you should have been here yesterday, we had a very pretty partial eclipse of the moon.)
 
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