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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

How to void your camera warranty

It must be nice to have that kind of money that you don't mind if you fuck up your Red Cinema Camera.
 
Tech nerd version of eating Tide Pods for views
 
Well the one thing this certainly highlights is how incredibly complicated and refined the DSMC2 design is. In the face of many digital cinema cameras, it's pretty nuts how compact it actually is. And you are getting a hint of the cost behind some of the components even. Little brain, powerful, and complicated.

And really, don't try this at home or literally anywhere. RED has higher tiered service professionals to even get that deep into the camera brain. I'll be routing for Linus and co to get this thing put back together, but even taking it apart wrong could influence if the camera would post on boot.

And to the notion of using a AIO water cooler-style solution, there's about a bazillion reasons not to use water to cool components inside a camera that not only gets beat around a fair amount, but are used is a massive variety of weather conditions.
 
On a positive note, thanks for getting us inside a RED! WOW all those ribbon cables... She’s put together nice and tight, good job guys. All the best on getting her bac up and running.
 
That's really interesting. I've always wanted to see how this little magic box works inside. I applaud Linus for doing that.
Let's not forget Linus has a net worth of $1.5 million and his company "Linus Media Group" makes about $50k profit per month from youtube and other partnerships.
At the end of the day, If he has to buy a new camera, I'm sure he really doesn't care.....Linus is BALLIN!
 
Seeing as they don't even understand what shit does (back focus adjustment is a good example), I think the chances of getting this back together and not being totally fucked up are slim.
 
It gives a good insight of how complex this little camera is.
And at Linus they really love waveform compression, they use both .R3D and cineform as their main codecs.
Never really understood why some youtubers use high-end cinema camera's.
 
Misha Engel said:
Never really understood why some youtubers use high-end cinema camera's.
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I have lots of thoughts and theories on the subject, but just a couple fun thoughts.

- Keep in mind some popular YouTubers are pulling 6 to 7 figures, and occasionally even more with other endorsements or endeavors
- YouTube has repeatedly been the first to support higher resolution streaming dating back to 1080p, 4K, and 8K. They actually currently support up to 16K, useful for 360 video for sure.
- In the world of delivery (and even to an extent, capture) additional resolution helps with some of the downsides of digital exhibition.
- The race to produce higher quality content in the face of growing competition on the same platform has led to much of what is now.
- In some ways a few of these streamers are pulling potentially higher operating budgets than even some television shows, though not necessarily seen in their content.
- I've personally seen a bit behind the curtain of a few popular streamers and they typically are investing in some pretty serious hardware, sometimes even putting smaller studios to shame.

I can think of more, but it makes a whole lot of sense to me. Heck, my primary outlet is whatever my clients deliver to, but even I like to focus on producing decent quality images on public streaming platforms. It's also transformed into a fascinating community with a fair bit of supportive viewers and peers, and hell of a variety of everything else.

The entertainment market is alarmingly dynamic at the moment. YouTube as a platform is providing a realistic income to top tier streamers. And I imagine a few of them want to stay at the top and do whatever that takes.

This thread features a Linus Tech Tips video, bare in mind everything you see now is shot in their new location which essentially has standing set pieces for their locations and is more or less a soundstage. Linus is certainly producing much more baity content these days, which I think is truly part of the effort to put out regular new content, but he and his crew are still very knowledgeable in the world of computer hardware and occasionally dip into other accessories.

I know they were very excited when they picked up their RED bodies, despite a bit of the shock and awe sort of POV on the back side of it we witness via their channel. But they are literally using them for every episode. Some for people like MKBHD, who has also been in on a mission to improve the visuals.
 
Phil Holland said:
I have lots of thoughts and theories on the subject, but just a couple fun thoughts.

- Keep in mind some popular YouTubers are pulling 6 to 7 figures, and occasionally even more with other endorsements or endeavors
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Not a reason to buy a high end cinema camera.

Phil Holland said:
- YouTube has repeatedly been the first to support higher resolution streaming dating back to 1080p, 4K, and 8K. They actually currently support up to 16K, useful for 360 video for sure.
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You shoot for your audience, 90%+ is watching his video's on smartphones.

Phil Holland said:
- In the world of delivery (and even to an extent, capture) additional resolution helps with some of the downsides of digital exhibition.
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Most watch it on a smartphone.

Phil Holland said:
- The race to produce higher quality content in the face of growing competition on the same platform has led to much of what is now.
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Don't know about others using 8k camera's for youtube, but the focus pullers at Linus should go back to Filmschool or use something with a good autofocus.

Phil Holland said:
- In some ways a few of these streamers are pulling potentially higher operating budgets than even some television shows, though not necessarily seen in their content.
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Still no reason to use a camera you can't handle.

Phil Holland said:
- I've personally seen a bit behind the curtain of a few popular streamers and they typically are investing in some pretty serious hardware, sometimes even putting smaller studios to shame.
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Nothing wrong in investing in nice gear, lost of the youtubers should also invest in how to use their nice gear(Linus in this case).

It's good that tech heads like Linus use top quality camera's it's just a pitty that they don't know how to use them.
 
Linus (the on screen talent) probably doesn’t care/know about camera tech/cinematography specifically. It’s Brandon, the cinematographer/cam-op that suggested RED as an option (for a bunch a legit reasons; ripping stills, future proofing, for shooting their more cinematic skits, etc) and knows his shit (re:backfocus, cinematography, etc). He’s the dude off-camera at the beginning (hilariously) saying “oh god” and shaking his head. I’m pretty sure he knows it’s a bad idea, he knows it’s clickbait, but he’s also worked there long enough to know it’s just what Linus and crew do and why they have successful channels... (but no doubt he was sweatin’ the entire time Linus was ripping bits off).

And in any case, I’m confident they’ll be able to put it back together. If not, they just got a Canon and BMD Pocket 4k that they can use as b/c cams :smiley:
 
This is absolutely click bait, but I guess props to them for doing it (not many people would attempt it). Really cool to see someone try, even though I'm pretty sure they just ruined that camera.

I'm glad he finally realized why the cost is what it is after that ridiculous video he made before about the price.

I laughed so hard when he pulled off that cooler and there were 10 heatsinks on the one board..
 
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Misha Engel said:
Not a reason to buy a high end cinema camera.

You shoot for your audience, 90%+ is watching his video's on smartphones.

Most watch it on a smartphone.

Don't know about others using 8k camera's for youtube, but the focus pullers at Linus should go back to Filmschool or use something with a good autofocus.

Still no reason to use a camera you can't handle.

Nothing wrong in investing in nice gear, lost of the youtubers should also invest in how to use their nice gear(Linus in this case).

It's good that tech heads like Linus use top quality camera's it's just a pitty that they don't know how to use them.
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You are always the lovely contrarian Misha and I can always count on you for the other side of any fence commentary, but based on your logic most professionals shouldn't care what cameras they work with because the screens they watch them on are small or inferior. Bare in mind we have smartphones with higher resolutions screens than televisions even, and yes I am aware that's not the whole story. But that's not the whole market, that's not why people do anything, and you're completely disregarding creative intent from their perspective or others. And that's fine, you are not in a position to tell them what to use or how to go about their work, so that has no impact. But of course, you can certainly drop a comment and let them know your insightful thoughts on their creative and technical processes.

Interestingly enough, I've helped out a few dozen times with some of those folks moving forward in their motion picture journey. Yes, most don't have any sort of traditional filmmaking background, but that's also assuming that they need something like that in this day of age for the content they produce. In this case, these guys are filming mostly shoot-to-air content with integration of graphics and occasionally long term projects, but for the most part tightly edited and executed. In the case of Linus, a great deal of his efforts are also scripted, though occasionally improvised. They light, have sets, essentially are a small production company, and have become rather well known in the process of "getting better at all of that".

I don't always agree with their POV on certain things, but I do understand there is creative effort and work going on here.

On an entirely personal note, I've been in the YouTube community "officially" since 2006 (about a year after YT started) and have seen the rise of many of these individuals, where their content was, to where it is today. Take comfort in the fact a good chunk of them have really focused on improving their work as they developed along the way. But hey, that was back when the whole YouTube thing wasn't going to work anyways, at least that's what I heard through the halls of a few studios at the time.

From a rather historical perspective in relationship to the content produced, it's particularly interesting in the face of things that have come and gone like G4/TechTV and where Linus and other creators have filled a gap. The LTT channel is at 2.3 billion views for not exactly general consumer content. That's a whole billion more than even MKBHD has at this point and they both started out in 2008. Add that to the other efforts he has outside of LTT or even the stuff he was doing before that at NCIX, you're looking at a truly developed endeavor by a fairly nutty and passionate guy with similar people surrounding him.

I'll reiterate, the industry is rather dynamic these days. As is the content being produced.
 
Phil Holland said:
I'll be routing for Linus and co to get this thing put back together, but even taking it apart wrong could influence if the camera would post on boot.

And to the notion of using a AIO water cooler-style solution, there's about a bazillion reasons not to use water to cool components inside a camera that not only gets beat around a fair amount, but are used is a massive variety of weather conditions.
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Same here. If they do it would be really interesting to see, although it could probably never leave the studio.

Even if they are able to do it, I wouldn't be surprised if they send it back to RED and pay a bunch of money to have it assembled properly.
 
Misha Engel said:
Not a reason to buy a high end cinema camera.



You shoot for your audience, 90%+ is watching his video's on smartphones.



Most watch it on a smartphone.



Don't know about others using 8k camera's for youtube, but the focus pullers at Linus should go back to Filmschool or use something with a good autofocus.



Still no reason to use a camera you can't handle.



Nothing wrong in investing in nice gear, lost of the youtubers should also invest in how to use their nice gear(Linus in this case).

It's good that tech heads like Linus use top quality camera's it's just a pitty that they don't know how to use them.
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They've built a small media empire simply on the basis that they love technology. If you had that much money, and could afford a Red just for funzies without ever having to worry about paying it off, wouldn't you buy one too?

Yeah, they could have bought a C300 like sane people. But then they'd still have a swimming pool full of money and that "What if?" feeling keeping them up at night.
 
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