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How many Scarlet cameras a month

Terry im 2938 and in exactly the same boat. I asked if they could ship the brain without the mount and just send it to me when one became available, but they were highly against it. lol. Getting antsy though. its gotta be soon.
 
Am curious as to the reasoning behind not sending mountless camera's out. They have to use a mount to put a lens on the camera when it's tested, but I don't know why they can't then take that mount off after testing if someone's already got one and doesn't need another one. Maybe that's too rare a situation for them to have factored in, or maybe there's some other logistical reason behind it, but I can't see any technical reason why the camera must be sent only when it's lens mount is ready and attached. It's no big deal for me personally, but I understand it could seem to be for those held up waiting for their camera because of a lens mount they don't need, while later orders go through.
 
Phil Holland said:
More than 2000 orders by a couple times. And that was last December.

As Robert has mentioned, Red has been ramping up production on Scarlets (and everything else as well) to help fulfill orders more quickly. Buy February/March 2012 I imagine things in general will be much easier to acquire.
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Delusional. Scarlet is a very niche camera, great for your needs but not mainstream. There was some clever marketing behind this launch which may have led some people to believe there was more demand for the product. Time will tell I guess but orders fulfilled has nothing to do with orders made. It's simple business. You figure out what your orders will be over a period of time and build and hire a production line to fulfill that on an ongoing basis. Given the only info available I imagine there were initially 500 - 1000 orders. These and the ongoing orders will be spread out over 6 months to a year. This is not rocket science. [FONT=arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
 
I am always amazed by those with such incredible insight into the minds of others and the ability to see the diabolical manipulations that certain people foist upon us. Thank goodness for such clear thinking individuals who can set all of us "delusional" types straight. I only wish, given such a strong and clear sense of business, that they would take over RED and run it right!

Hahahahahahah. :drool:
 
Ash Worth said:
Delusional. Scarlet is a very niche camera, great for your needs but not mainstream. There was some clever marketing behind this launch which may have led some people to believe there was more demand for the product. Time will tell I guess but orders fulfilled has nothing to do with orders made. It's simple business. You figure out what your orders will be over a period of time and build and hire a production line to fulfill that on an ongoing basis. Given the only info available I imagine there were initially 500 - 1000 orders. These and the ongoing orders will be spread out over 6 months to a year. This is not rocket science. [FONT=arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
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I'm a fairly realistic fellow and I'm not saying that 6000 cameras will be delivered tomorrow. However, I wouldn't be shocked that 2000 or 3000 are fulfilled by the end of March. I only heard the estimated orders placed as of the end of December 2011. I'm sure one or two people ordered cameras since then and more will be ordered in the future as people allocate funds and what not. It's always going to be a process and Red builds to order. It's certainly in a different market than a $1000 camcorder that you can buy in "Anyville, Anywhere".

Give them a chance. Cameras are shipping and again they are growing and adding more people and machinery. That at least shows that they are pushing to get things done and Red has been open about sharing that information with us.
 
Ash Worth said:
This is not rocket science. [FONT=arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
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When your dealing with the logistics of ordering hundreds of different SKUs from dozens of suppliers for thousands of units, rocket science seems simple.
 
Ash Worth said:
Delusional. Scarlet is a very niche camera, great for your needs but not mainstream. There was some clever marketing behind this launch which may have led some people to believe there was more demand for the product. Time will tell I guess but orders fulfilled has nothing to do with orders made. It's simple business. You figure out what your orders will be over a period of time and build and hire a production line to fulfill that on an ongoing basis. Given the only info available I imagine there were initially 500 - 1000 orders. These and the ongoing orders will be spread out over 6 months to a year. This is not rocket science. [FONT=arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
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Yes you get what I've been saying exactly! This logic makes perfect sense based on the information available. I'm not gonna go around and call people delusional, let's keep it friendly, but I would like to know where a lot of the other people who seem to think theres a thousands and thousands of doers get their info.
 
Ash Worth said:
Delusional. Scarlet is a very niche camera, great for your needs but not mainstream. There was some clever marketing behind this launch which may have led some people to believe there was more demand for the product. Time will tell I guess but orders fulfilled has nothing to do with orders made. It's simple business. You figure out what your orders will be over a period of time and build and hire a production line to fulfill that on an ongoing basis. Given the only info available I imagine there were initially 500 - 1000 orders. These and the ongoing orders will be spread out over 6 months to a year. This is not rocket science. [FONT=arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
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Thank you. Needed to be said. It was indeed clever marketing getting a devout group of customers to essentially become investors by helping to finance the manufacture of the cameras through 10% deposits on units two or months from even being assembled. There is no evidence to suggest Red will be building and shipping 2 or 3 thousand cameras a month. Just look at the list. A few hundred, perhaps, but fulfilling backorders for Scarlet by end of February is in my opinion best described as magical thinking.
 
Yeah - RED has to scrape by using people's deposits to fund operating costs; Jim's billions are tied up in CDs at 1.2%. And all that revenue from RED ONE sales, well he probably gambled that away in Las Vegas. :crazy:

(where do you guys come up with this stuff?? LOL)
 
I believe in RED. What they're doing is incredibly difficult, I don't fault them for their backorder issue, yeah it sucks, but they will get better at in time. They're still a newer company and yes, in a niche market. But if a 24-year-old guy in Utah can afford one without going into debt or relying on anyone else, than I can only imagine how many more people/companies focusing on video can afford one. Only selling 1000 over the course of a year doesn't sound... realistic. I'm sure I'm one of many that haven't put themselves on a public list. Hopefully I'm not proven wrong.
 
Thank you. Needed to be said. It was indeed clever marketing getting a devout group of customers to essentially become investors by helping to finance the manufacture of the cameras through 10% deposits on units two or months from even being assembled. There is no evidence to suggest Red will be building and shipping 2 or 3 thousand cameras a month. Just look at the list. A few hundred, perhaps, but fulfilling backorders for Scarlet by end of February is in my opinion best described as magical thinking.
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But RED Europe doesn't require a deposit... How are they going to build my camera without my £1,000! ;)
 
You should be sending them money just for allowing you to post on their website, breath the word "RED". You "believe" in Red? Are you people for real? Charles Manson had more skeptical followers. Jim Jones had a harder time talking people into having a little Kool-Aid with their lunch. This bizarre devotion and rampant fan-boyism is being used as leverage because Red has no real competition in this price range, yet. I am not questioning the product. I am frustrated at seeing how easily people can be whipped into a trance-like frenzy, complete with foaming mouths. It's a camera for Pete's sake. And if you believe they've sold 4,000 of them, and put 4,000,000 of your cold-hard interest free dollars into jet fuel and not into getting your camera into your hands closer to the time you breathlessly part with your hard earned money, then you ought to question why, instead of falling to your knees, hands held high, in undulating worship. I'm sure they love what they do at Red, and it shows in what they build. But don't forget they're in business to make a profit and if they can use unquestioning product and brand loyalty to dictate the terms, they will.
 
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Wow, I like how saying that if one essentially "believes" in a company's desire to build and ship the best product they can as quickly as possible (which almost sounds like a good business strategy..), means they are idolizing that company like it's Charles Manson. Red builds great "tools" for cinematography, tools worth waiting for. Tools people get excited about because it helps them do what they love better. Yes, they are a business, no one here is so ignorant to actually think they're not in it for the profit, so stop stating the obvious like "they're in a business to make a profit." It sounds like you think Red is the country's least profitable ponzi scheme. The only people I see getting so worked up to the point of being in a trance are people like you Brant. Most people are just excited. Let's not make this offensive, let people be enthusiastic about the tools they use for the things they love. Many guys drool over the latest motorcycles and cars, why not a Camera? ;D
 
Brant Hadfield said:
You should be sending them money just for allowing you to post on their website, breath the word "RED". You "believe" in Red? Are you people for real? Charles Manson had more skeptical followers. Jim Jones had a harder time talking people into having a little Kool-Aid with their lunch. This bizarre devotion and rampant fan-boyism is being used as leverage because Red has no real competition in this price range, yet. I am not questioning the product. I am frustrated at seeing how easily people can be whipped into a trance-like frenzy, complete with foaming mouths. It's a camera for Pete's sake. And if you believe they've sold 4,000 of them, and put 4,000,000 of your cold-hard interest free dollars into jet fuel and not into getting your camera into your hands closer to the time you breathlessly part with your hard earned money, then you ought to question why, instead of falling to your knees, hands held high, in undulating worship. I'm sure they love what they do at Red, and it shows in what they build. But don't forget they're in business to make a profit and if they can use unquestioning product and brand loyalty to dictate the terms, they will.
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There's so much to love about this post.
 
Brant Hadfield said:
You should be sending them money just for allowing you to post on their website, breath the word "RED". You "believe" in Red? Are you people for real? Charles Manson had more skeptical followers. Jim Jones had a harder time talking people into having a little Kool-Aid with their lunch. This bizarre devotion and rampant fan-boyism is being used as leverage because Red has no real competition in this price range, yet. I am not questioning the product. I am frustrated at seeing how easily people can be whipped into a trance-like frenzy, complete with foaming mouths. It's a camera for Pete's sake. And if you believe they've sold 4,000 of them, and put 4,000,000 of your cold-hard interest free dollars into jet fuel and not into getting your camera into your hands closer to the time you breathlessly part with your hard earned money, then you ought to question why, instead of falling to your knees, hands held high, in undulating worship. I'm sure they love what they do at Red, and it shows in what they build. But don't forget they're in business to make a profit and if they can use unquestioning product and brand loyalty to dictate the terms, they will.
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It's the old (getting VERY old) put down of - "If you like the product, your just a mindless 'fan boy' whereas, if you are like me, you are level headed, reasonable, and completely logical."

I have studied the marketing of "high involvement products to enthusiasts" for twenty years and I assure you, "enthusiasts" for any given product are rarely, if ever, sheep when it comes to product decisions. In almost all cases, they are the best informed and most rational about choosing the products they back. If that product fails them, they'll switch but until it does, they are usually loyal - not to the product itself, but to the level of quality the product represents. When another product comes along that is clearly better, you'll see those people adopt it quickly. RED has loyal followers because, in their informed view, no one has surpassed the quality of those RED products and the accompanying support system.
 
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