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How did Claudio Miranda's test go?

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Sorry Bassam, I didn't wanted to bash you either.
I know exactly what you mean. I also fear about bad press concerning red.
If to much bullshit comes up about red, it will hurt all REDusers and producers will stay away from RED. We won't be able to rent out our REDs and everybody will stay away from it. That's the worst case scenario.

But still, RED is beta. In the next months the RED team will tune the baby till it fully sings. Guys like Claudio, Mark, David etc. will be able to help us and the RED team to improve the cam by I great deal. Even if it will take another 6 months till the cam is fully ready from then on people will only talk good about the RED cam and all the naisayers will shut up. This is the final goal.

So dont be afraid about some honest posts here. Things will turn out good in the end, we all hope that.

Cheers
Tim
 
Ruairi Robinson said:
Would you rather him be positive, or honest?

You don't even have a camera yet...
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yes I think you hit the nail on the head
Because i do not have camera yet that's why i am upset becuase this is not
serve me or serve any other one thinking to buy red. and hear negative ideas about it.
it is suppose for anyone has very good observations and found something is
not good to say the whole story and not saying it with Episods.
see you next week :bye2: to be continued :alien:
 
Timage said:
Sorry Bassam, I didn't wanted to bash you either.
I know exactly what you mean. I also fear about bad press concerning red.
If to much bullshit comes up about red, it will hurt all REDusers and producers will stay away from RED. We won't be able to rent out our REDs and everybody will stay away from it. That's the worst case scenario.

But still, RED is beta. In the next month the RED team will tune the baby till it fully sings. Guys like Claudio, Mark, David etc. will be able to help us and the RED team to improve the cam by I great deal. Even if it will take another 6 month till the cam is fully ready from then on people will only talk good about the RED cam and all the naisayers will shut up. This is the final goal.

So dont be afraid about some honest posts here. Things will turn out good in the end, we all hope that.

Cheers
Tim
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very good disscussion . i like it :tongue: thanks
 
claudio said:
On the first test on the F23 vs RED, we had an issue with the RED camera. This test was a wash.
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BASSAM MSSALATIE said:
iLook Guy's i do really respect Claudio and his experience and every one ealse
but what is bothering me is i do not want to hear bad things about red without fast evidence for it.
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Bassam

You need to read the posts more carefully. Sounds like the first camera Claudio got worked so poorly that none of the tests even worked forcing him to do the test all over again a second time!

Frankly what I read Claudio seems very kind with his words considering that it looks like a whole day of his time was wasted due to to a problem with the camera.
 
If people on this site (as they often do) continue to take offense when an undisputed industry pro has something to say about the Red that could be viewed as less than cheerleading, then this site will become irrelevant.

Can you imagine any other camera forum chasing away a top notch DP that works with one of the most important Directors in the entire business. It would be an embarrassment.

Chris
 
Don't be afraid of honest, objective observation that finds fault -- you can't cover that stuff up anyway, the truth always comes out. Better to face up to it and deal with it. At least you'll be able to advise producers more realistically about the pros and cons, which all formats have. You'll sound more believable to them anyway if you can list some "negative" aspects because then it will sound like you did some thorough research. If you try to gloss over any these potentional pitfalls, it could bite you on the ass later.
 
there are just 100 cameras, what kind of issue let the 1st test fail, would be interesting to know in detail.

btw.
if the technic maniac d.fincher trusts claudio skills, i think i will do the same and listen carefully what claudio will say.
 
claudio said:
On the first test on the F23 vs RED, we had an issue with the RED camera. This test was a wash.

I went out again (a week later) with a different camera. Next day I saw them both projected side by side... I was not fully happy with the RED footage (mainly because I did not believe it showed its potential). We discovered the debayer was not as good as it could have been. I will view this retransfered footage on Wednesday. I will post the results and more details on my site.
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Yes indeed, thanks a LOT Claudio for taking the time to give us your EXTREMELY qualified impression about RED, helping us make more educated decisions regarding our future use for this system.

Now, it sounds like Claudio had TWO different problems with the RED, the first time due to an undisclosed problem the test was of no use whatsoever, and the second time where the debayering left something to be desired and he will do yet another pass with that same footage. That shows objectivity and dedication, and I for one, will take Claudio's findings VERY much into consideration.

Gracias Claudio!
 
David,

Thinking out loud here, would you be willing to test a RED if we managed to get a camera in your hands? Run a battery of tests based on whatever you ordinarily do with any camera you're not familiar with and on the minor problems the RED's been showing of which you're well aware, given the fact you've followed this forum for a long time now and you actively participate on the discussion of all technical matters pertaining the camera and cinematography in general. Would this be of interest to you, to run "David Mullen's RED test" and post the results for us here on Redforum?
 
I may be over-committed these days, during my "down time" ironically. I'm finishing a chapter for the ASC Manual that I have to deliver. I may be working on a digital glossary of terms for the ASC website. I finally created a website this week at the bequest of my agent, and now I've promised her I will spend the month updating my ancient reel. A friend wants me to storyboard a feature over the next two months.

And all of this gets superceded by any real shooting work that may come along...

BTW, my new website is:
http://www.davidmullenasc.com

However, I would be willing to collaborate with someone more anal-retentive than myself in terms of testing -- it may be a welcome break from my other projects! It may be better to wait until the next batch of RED cameras start being delivered...
 
Jendra said:
Posts such as yours are the reason why many professionals shy away from this community.
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That's kind of harsh, do 'professionals' really stay away from RedUser because of a few hasty posters?
 
claudio said:
Sorry for the delay. And also sorry for the lack of details, but it needs to be this way until I finish. I really want to get to the meat before I say anything public at this time.

On the first test on the F23 vs RED, we had an issue with the RED camera. This test was a wash.

I went out again (a week later) with a different camera. Next day I saw them both projected side by side... I was not fully happy with the RED footage (mainly because I did not believe it showed its potential). We discovered the debayer was not as good as it could have been. I will view this retransfered footage on Wednesday. I will post the results and more details on my site.

I have been working on other projects and trying to finish this tests. It may take me a little time to post.
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Dear claudio : :help: please do not upset from me or my discussion here i am like all
others here waiting for your test results , it is missunderstanding about(not finished test ) i want you see your results as soon as you can maybe it will and it will help us here exploring hidden things no one will discove unless with good experience like you but please make it full test.. thanks :whistling:
 
BASSAM MSSALATIE said:
Dear claudio : :help: please do not upset from me or my discussion here i am like all
others here waiting for your test results , it is missunderstanding about(not finished test ) i want you see your results as soon as you can maybe it will and it will help us here exploring hidden things no one will discove unless with good experience like you but please make it full test.. thanks :whistling:
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An exhaustive test is what I expect from Claudio, and judging from what he's stated here, that's what he's aiming for. His might be the best findings we'll have the privilege to share so far.
 
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