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How did Claudio Miranda's test go?

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Shawn Nelson said:
Jendra said:
Posts such as yours are the reason why many professionals shy away from this community.
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That's kind of harsh, do 'professionals' really stay away from RedUser because of a few hasty posters?
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Yes, indeed a great many do. I converse with many top level industry pros on a regular basis who won't go near this forum.

Yes, it's harsh but I regularly hear in verbal conversation:
"just a bunch of fan-boys"
"wanna-bes"
"horrible signal to noise ratio" (the forums not the camera)
"waste of time"
"I don't want to say anything on there and get attacked by the wolves"
etc. etc.

Of course, I don't agree, because I am here and I think there is lots of valuable information on here. I usually defend the value of the forum to most of these individuals. The reason I don't spend more time here is I do find it overwhelming sometimes to sort through all the nonsense. And by nonsense, I mean the people who post who have nothing to say. Other online communities I belong to have guidelines such as "only post if you have anything tangible to add to the discussion." And I much prefer that than wading through tons of posts that say nothing but "great news!" "looking forward to it!" Thanks, man." etc.

My opinion is that kind of stuff just eats up bandwidth and is better left to private correspondences. But hey, I'm not the moderator, and I'll tolerate it for the sharing of information. But a lot of people I talk to just don't have the patience.
 
A lot of that is true. I think the environment inherits some of the young independent spirit that hails from DVXuser. I try not to allow myself to pass off people who don't know what I know because I'm no expert myself.

I agree that the best deals are made in PMs.
 
Jendra said:
Yes, indeed a great many do. I converse with many top level industry pros on a regular basis who won't go near this forum.

Yes, it's harsh but I regularly hear in verbal conversation:
"just a bunch of fan-boys"
"wanna-bes"
"horrible signal to noise ratio" (the forums not the camera)
"waste of time"
"I don't want to say anything on there and get attacked by the wolves"
etc. etc.

Of course, I don't agree, because I am here and I think there is lots of valuable information on here. I usually defend the value of the forum to most of these individuals. The reason I don't spend more time here is I do find it overwhelming sometimes to sort through all the nonsense. And by nonsense, I mean the people who post who have nothing to say. Other online communities I belong to have guidelines such as "only post if you have anything tangible to add to the discussion." And I much prefer that than wading through tons of posts that say nothing but "great news!" "looking forward to it!" Thanks, man." etc.

My opinion is that kind of stuff just eats up bandwidth and is better left to private correspondences. But hey, I'm not the moderator, and I'll tolerate it for the sharing of information. But a lot of people I talk to just don't have the patience.
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Yeah… great post, keep 'em coming, can't wait, Thanks a lot.
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It is true that if we could avoid that kind of "mud" everytime someone at Red post something new, it would make working on this boards a lot easier.

LET'S REFRAIN

Emmanuel
 
Agreed, Jendra.

I modded for five years on the most popular high end audio forum on the internet (then and now) and we called this phenomenum "dawgging" -- people sniping at and dragging down the pros, effectively driving them away. It was the reason I eventually left and the reason the star mixer who stepped into my shoes left after just two weeks.

Having said that, I do feel that posts by non-mods tending to police or drag down other posts ought to be included in the "nonsense" category.

Back to posting rarely,
 
Jendra said:
Posts such as yours are the reason why many professionals shy away from this community.
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Jon Atack said:
Agreed, Jendra.

I modded for five years on the most popular high end audio forum on the internet (then and now) and we called this phenomenum "dawgging" -- people sniping at and dragging down the pros, effectively driving them away. It was the reason I eventually left and the reason the star mixer who stepped into my shoes left after just two weeks.

Having said that, I do feel that posts by non-mods tending to police or drag down other posts ought to be included in the "nonsense" category.

Back to posting rarely,
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I think some people having a huge illusion about RED camera forum(s) in general.

For example at the moment of this writing here we have at the RED user forum the number of active users: 989 (407 members and 582 guests).

Nobody on the Internet and even in a reality could control or even police this amount of visitors (online).

You just have to accept that you are living in a pretty messy world and that's it.

Simply: Take it or leave it.

Or form and launch your own "professional(s)" SUPERIORTY forum about what ever you want to discuss

and go much higher than another (mostly from a crap here) in overall discussions, etc... and then you would finish in a pure pro "Country".

I do not want to mention another metaphoric expression for this desired doing things or wishes because

I live in Austria and I know well what the history of this country was and even more about that abroad.

So what I wanted to say is one big, big wish to leave us from this kind and (or) another similar follower's intentions of that pure supremacy wishes.

And more about supremacy of so called professional world:

it is the most boring world (people) I ever met, saw, heard about, read about, etc.

Simply to say it is about to have a sense of understanding for people.

And RED h a s a huge understanding all the time and proofs that DAILY.

RED = the People's 4K camera.

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ABOUT RED FLAG:

"Bandiera Rossa

Avanti popolo a la rescosa
Bandiera rosa, bandiera rosa
Avanti popolo a la rescosa
Bandiera rosa, bandiera rosa

Chorus:
Bandiera rosa la trionfera
Bandiera rosa la trionfera
Bandiera rosa la trionfera
Y viva la Socialiste, la bella liberta

The people’s on the march,
This road they’re treading
It leads to freedom
It leads to freedom
The people’s on the march,
This road they’re treading
It leads to freedom and liberty
(Chorus)

From farm and factory,
From school and college
With force of suffering
And source of knowledge
Our leaders leading, our banners waving
Victory proceeding, towards liberty
We’ll wave the scarlet banner triumphantly
We’ll raise the scarlet banner triumphantly
We’ll wave the scarlet banner triumphantly
Y viva la Socialiste, la bella liberta

German: Steht auf ihr Arbeiter,
steht auf Genossen
Die Rote Fahne werht siegentschlossen
Steht auf ihr Arbeiter, steht auf GenossenDie Rote Fahne erkamft die Macht

Die Rote Fahne erkamft die Macht
Die Rote Fahne erkamft die Macht
Die Rote Fahne erkamft die Macht
Vorwärts Kommunisten zur Freiheitsschacht

Bandiera Rossa, the Scarlet Banner or Red Flag!

But why is the Red Flag the symbol of the working class?

Very appropriately for a song of the masses there isn’t a single explanation or origin but many."

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Well despite momentary lapses, CML does pretty well.

the bottom line: WE SHOULD ALL STRIVE TO POLICE OURSELVES A BIT BETTER. (and on that note, I should shut up now and quietly and patiently (!) wait for Claudio Miranda to get back to us . . . )
 
I assume Caludio Miranda is a very busy person, who probably needs to carefully weight his options in terms of where to spend his "idle" time, and coming to a forum where, for whatever reason, he gets pushed and forced by others that perhaps have a lot more free time than him and, undeniably, a lot less experience about the subject he's discussing (and that means 99% of this forum) must make it without a doubt very frustrating, and intimidating, for him to wade through these turbulent waters. So yes, we should all be a bit more restrained, not in our enthusiasm towards RED, but in how we address other people. And so far, moderators in this forum mostly just move threads from one section to another, but take no stance with some very nonsensical, disrespectful and politically charged threads that are alllowed to drag on forever...

Such as Sanjin right now (whom I GREATLY respect for his passion AND knowledge about photography) entoning Red Flag songs...the very songs to whose tune the police brutally kicked our asses back in Cuba during my youth...very "liberating" of you Sanjin, not to mention "respectful" and knowledgeable of world history...I think I've had enough of this forum for today.
 
Rudi,

don't take me wrong.

I am neither communist nor right-wing; I'm just a free thinker.

Tonight I feel like a Fellini's hero TOBY DAMMIT, sit in Ferarri drunk and

like Peter O'Toole (originally casted for that role) drive till I would smash a car and myself in a surreal or virtual crash.

Anyway it is Fellini's excellent short movie.

Looks like an indie film from 60's with a look of Leica still lens optics in colour feature film.

That's a real dream.

Gute Nacht.

P.S.And our Claudio is always welcome to express his thoughts and tests about RED here as we all know well from before.
 
In all seriousness, how do I avoid being a "waste of time" "fan boy" and "a wannabe"? Does excitement about the camera and the Promethian act that Jim is doing put me into it? Or is it the general hyperbole sometimes exhibited? The wanton inclination towards tangents?
 
I remember when the F900 came out, a lot of "film is dead" types were complaining that professional cinematographers were luddites, nitpickers, and whatnot because, god forbid, they found flaws in the HDCAM image. There was a constant chorus of "you guys are so picky, you aren't being fair to digital, blah, blah, blah..." Well, seven years later... and most people are more than happy to talk about the flaws of the F900 HDCAM image now that there are better cameras on the market. Oh yeah, and it didn't kill film either as I recall.

So whenever someone tries to silence someone who has legitimate concerns with the RED, I am reminded of 2001 all over again. There is this basic fear some people have of exposing any new digital camera, warts and all, to the light, if they have pinned their filmmaking hopes on the camera. They aren't being emotionally objective -- they have a vested interest in convincing everyone that the technology is flawless and the best available.

Most of us who shoot for a living just want to discover the pros and cons so we can make rational decisions on which technology to match to which job, and how to deal with our choice on the shooting day, and in post. We don't expect perfection... but we do expect reliability and predictability of results. Sure, we want whoever has the best idea to win on principle, but we also want it to really be the best.

And as we are discovering here, products only become the best when all the bugs and flaws are brought to the attention of the designers so that they can make improvements. So anyone who is attempting to suppress legitimate concerns about the RED are not doing RED any favors in the long run.

I think most people here on this site have a healthy attitude towards the RED, cautious enthusiasm mixed with a real attempt to learn and understand how to use it. There are just a few who are constantly being the equivalent of flag-waving patriot that make some of the professionals who avoid single-product-commitment (on principle) feel uncomfortable.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
There are just a few who are constantly being the equivalent of flag-waving patriot that make some of the professionals who avoid single-product-commitment (on principle) feel uncomfortable.
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Now we could see a distinction between the technocrats and intellectuals.

Here we have approximately about 1000 users who are constantly online 24 hours/7 days on this forum.

If all the time 100 of them are "hardcore professionals" that is about 1:10 or 10% of all users that are mostly non professionals, amateurs, enthusiasts...etc...The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

How they could talk and discuss.

Mostly all it sounds like a cacophony (by the way I live very close to the Arnold Schönberg Center in Vienna).

Some of the so called "professionals" showed here leaning towards a sense of supremacy, superiorty and hard control behavior that could turn the forum in a sort of Orwell's 1984 stage...

It was a reason then I waved a red flag (bandiera rossa) that represents a flag of RED people here.

A smart and liberal intellectuals sometimes have more understanding for a poor and dummy behavior than a hardcore technocrats who are interested in a pure techno values.

That was a reason that I said:

RED = The People's 4K camera.

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It sends the wrong message though to "fly the RED flag" everytime someone mentions they found a bug in the camera. You don't want to cross the line from freedom to fascism, which is the problem with a lot of revolutions and revolutionaries. No one wants to be freed at the point of a gun.

And saying that people who address technical problems are somehow anti-intellectuals is not particularly fair. That's like saying that a cinematographer who has technical concerns is being less artistic as a result.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
It sends the wrong message though to "fly the RED flag" everytime someone mentions they found a bug in the camera. You don't want to cross the line from freedom to fascism, which is the problem with a lot of revolutions and revolutionaries. No one wants to be freed at the point of a gun.

And saying that people who address technical problems are somehow anti-intellectuals is not particularly fair. That's like saying that a cinematographer who has technical concerns is being less artistic as a result.
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YES!!!
 
A guy could come here and only post technical questions... but for all you know, he is the most intellectual, artistic guy in the world, maybe even be a radical, an iconoclast. Why make the assumption that people who don't display an artistic side on this forum must not have one?
 
Sorry David it was nothing addressed to you personally.

And I have a huge respect for your cinematographer's knowledge, artistic achievement and personal niceness.

It was about a hunting where some techies wanted blame non-techies for overall cacophony of the forum.

As I said it is all the time about 1000 people online and you cannot have a melody of one style.

Here there are all kind of people, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Also I have respect for a work of many cinematographers like Vittorio Soraro, Janus Kaminski, Vilmos Zsigmond,
Tom Stern, Gordon Willis, Laszlo Kovacs, Ernie Holzman, Caleb Deschanel, Allen Daviau, Bill Dill, Hiro Narita,
Haskell Wexler, Dion Beebe, Michael Ballhaus,...just to name a few of them.

And I am subscriber of digital edition of American Cinematographer magazine.
 
I heard Claudio would be posting results on his website fairly soon.
 
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